If the trinity is a true doctrine why does the Bible in most scriptures make it hard to defend?

Question

(Acts 7:55-56) But he, being full of holy spirit, gazed into heaven and caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus standing at God’s right hand, and he said: “Look! I behold the heavens opened up and the Son of man standing at God’s right hand.”

So where is God the Holy Spirit?

Revelation 1:1-3
A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent forth his angel and presented [it] in signs through him to his slave John,  who bore witness to the word God gave and to the witness Jesus Christ gave, even to all the things he saw.

God gave? But Jesus is God.
Who bore a witness to the word God gave? and Jesus Christ gave? How can Jesus Christ who is God give a revelation to someone called Jesus Christ?

(Colossians 1:14-15)  He [Jesus] is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation

Jesus is a creation

I am sure avid trinitarian believers will have ample of scriptures that will tie in with these scriptural examples I have given I can give more examples if needed.
So lets see what sense they can make from this and solve the seeming paradoxes of the trinity doctrine.

Jon M. f
Full of holy spirit. you mean full of God?
Jesus God was filled with Holy Spirit God and saw God Father God in heaven.
God can seperate his personalities into seperate bodies and use one to possess another of himself?

Sorry that is confusing.

Answer 1

The Bible strongly shows God in his entire to be one person God. The only way a trinitarian can truely hammer the mis-shaped doctrine into the Bible is to take crucial scriptures right out of context. Example: John 10:30 "The Father and I are one." Trinitarians will use this as evidence that the Father and the Son are two persons out of three in one God. But this is taken terribly out of true context of the meaning of the scripture. The true context would mean that the Creator Father and his angelic Son are united as in an agreeing with each other. A boy can be one with his father when it comes to agreeing with his choice of sporting activity. Two seperate people who are in agreement not two people in one body.

The trinity doesn't even make a lot of sense when made to stand up critically to many scriptural evidences that deny the sense of a trinity such as Revelation 1:1 so concoctions such as "it is a mystery" or "who can know God us mere humans?" so really they are saying that they are baffled yet you are supposed to have faith through accurate knowledge (Col 1:10).
Yet not suprisingly the Bible was written by and given to mankind to reveal God to us and who he is and his name. The examples of reasonings many trinitarians give are shaky and easily collapsed by solid logic and correct scriptural context.
If they are three in one then how do they seperate into seperate bodies wouldn't that no longer make them three in one?
How could Satan tempt a Jesus God to worship him? How could Satan offer a Jesus God the kingdoms of the world after all couldn't God just take them anyway?

Trinitarians will say, but Jesus God was in the flesh thus weak thus could be tempted to sin. But going by the accounts in the Bible any creation could sin. Angels who were not of the flesh sinned when they forsook their proper dwelling places in the heavens and married daughters of men (Genesis 6:1-2) (Jude 6) (2 Peter 2:4,5)

So a creation such as the angels and chiefly Satan and humans can sin but the scriptures clearly state in Deuteronomy 32:4 that God is perfect in his activity, with whom there is no injustice. Righteous and upright is he.

It is IMPOSSIBLE for God to sin so Satan knowing this would would he waste his time getting Jesus to sin against, hmmmm....himself?

The probably biggest reason why many trinitarians hold on to the trinity doctrine is not because they can prove the trinity to a reasonably sincere person but because they do not want to change from their desired notions. They don't care about proving right to themselves their cherished ideas instead they find it an annoyance that their own slant of the doctrines, even if hard to defend, is being challenged for truth.
They may be active in a church which supports the doctrines thus not wish to go against their teachings regardless of what the Bible really teaches. With the canons and creeds of their religion they have made teachers for themselves (2 Tim 4:3)

Answer 2

I'm pretty sure the answer cannot simply be found by trying to state your differing points by making literalistic interpretations of different Bible verses.

If you believe in the Bible and question the Trinity, you can ask youself another question: What did the Church Fathers, that decided which writings constitute the Christian Canon and which do not, think about the Trinity. The answer is that the Trinity was accepted long before the Biblical Canon was established. Thus, ask yourself: why do I believe the Church Fathers in their decisions about the Bible Canon, but not their decisions about the Trinitarian Theology? If the Fathers who judged which Writings were in accordance with the authentic message of Christ and his apostles didn't even have a correct belief about such a fundamental question as this, how can you ever believe their Bible Canon? How can you ever believe the Bible?

And just a comment to JR:

You notice that 1 Corinthians 8:6 states that there is only one God: the Father, and only one Lord: Jesus Christ. Then you notice Revelation 1:8 in its original Greek is said by "Lord the God". If you are prone to literalistic readings, isn't this answer enough? Lord the God, vs "there is only one Lord" - ergo the Lord (Jesus Christ) is God.

Answer 3

Okay, and this is just an opinion. I am a Christian, I will tell you that much. But I do not believe in the trinity. There is just as much evidence for it as there is against it, and if you ask me, more against it. Now perhaps, a duality between God and the holy spirit is possible, but God is not Jesus. How can you be your own son? It makes no logical sense. I'll go out on a limb here and share a theory that Jesus actually had a mother and that she is described in the Bible, but that would probably be fallacious. Don't worry, the trinity isn't something you should worry about, your salvation doesn't hinge on it. And, it really doesn't make sense.

Answer 4

You limit God. God is Spirit and a consuming fire. God wanted to manifest Himself to us so He came in the Son and in the flesh as Christ Jesus.

You like quoting Revelation. How do you deal with this

Rev. 1: 4,5
John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, FROM HIM WHICH IS, AND WHICH WAS, AND WHICH IS TO COME; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loves us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood.

Now drop down to verse 8
"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."

God and Jesus are the same. The Holy Spirit is the portion Jesus said He was leaving with us to comfort, convict and teach us about Him.

Now, did you notice the 7 other Spirits before the throne. You want to limit God and there are 7 more Spirits.

Answer 5

In essence God the Son Jesus Christ doesn't have the foggiest idea when he is returning... Jesus said that only the Father knows the day and hour of his coming. That tell you a lot about the lines of communication within the Holy Trinity!

Answer 6

The original text in 1 John 5:7 and Timothy 3:16 have been changed to support the trinity doctrine, and it is why most bibles don't translate them the same way. The ones that uses the false translation, usually uses footnotes to explain where the translation came from.

Most scriptures are usually taken out of context to support the trinity doctrine, and all the other scriptures that disproves that doctrine are usually ignored. Jesus said himself that his father is the only true God, and not him.

John 17:3
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Also, 1 Corinthians 8:6 tells us who the one God is, and thats the Father.

1 Corinthians 8:6
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Edit:

Revelation 1:8 is not Jesus, its God Almighty. People often quote a translation that says "said Lord", but the actually translation says "said Lord God"

Revelation 1:8 (New International Version)
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

Ἐγώ εἰμι τὸ Ἄλφα καὶ τὸ *)=ω, λέγει [[κύριος ὁ θεός]], ὁ ὢν καὶ ὁ ἦν καὶ ὁ ἐρχόμενος, ὁ παντοκράτωρ.

κύριος ὁ θεός = Lord the God

Answer 7

(KJV) Genesis 1:26

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

"God" said= singular
let "us" = plural - that's the working of the trinity in creation.


(King James Version) I John 5:7
(not found in New International Version or NIV; check it out)

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

1+1+1 = 1 (only in the holy trinity) = God in 3 persons

Just like your father = he can be your friend = your provider = your teacher (3 perons in 1 body)



John 1:14

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Word = made flesh = begotten of the Father = Son (Jesus Christ) John 1:14

I hope it helps.

Answer 8

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Answer 9

Your first citation, Acts 7 explains it very clearly. He (God the Son in the flesh of Jesus) was filled with the Holy Spirit and caught sight of God the Father's glory in heaven.

How much clearer do you need it to be?

Does every biblical citation of Jesus have to re-enumerate "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" over and over again just so unknowing people will remember it?

Answer 10

Isn't God , Holy and Spirit. Why do people believe that the Holy Spirit is a other deity? When it is just God.
I don't believe in the trinity .
GOD BLESS