Supposedly every human desires to be free,does the embrace of oppresive ideology of Islam prove otherwise?

Answer 1

Is Islam oppressive ?
You arent a Muslim, so you will never know about it. This question is probably one of your wild imaginations about Islam.

If you could elaborate what sort of oppression is present in Islam, maybe I can clear your doubts.

EDIT : To allure, How about : beheading of homosexuals , transexuals and bi sexuals ?
Give me the source where this is mentioned. Moreover all this type XXXsexuals present in society is due the freedom for dumb people. For example, take the case of gays, they cant reproduce, they can never have children. If all people of this world become gays/lesbian, how many years will it take for the human beings to be non existant. 50-70 maximum right.
Its against the law that Allah has created for mankind or for any living organism(even bible says the same, & even the book of jews). Dont believe me lookup them. All creatures on earth, are made in pairs. so that they can reproduce.

How about only men being allowed to have multiple mates and the right to divorce ?
Here again. give me the source for "right to divorce". Even females have it. its called "Khula / Qula" (its an arabic term).
Why men are allowed to have wives upto 4?
The first thing you should know, each wife should be treated equally. If you cant, they you shouldnt marry more than one wife. Take this unique example, 1 husband - 2 wives, both get pregnant & deliver child. We know, who is the father & mother of the children. Dont we.
2 husbands & 1 wife. She delivers a child, who is the father of the child? any guesses, should use probability here? Dont tell me DNA research, it didnt exist 50 years ago or more, scriptures dont change with time.

Moreover male & female are have sexual desires, its natural, if they arent married, they tend to go into illicit relations. So a Muslim man can marry upto 4 wives & should treat them equally in all respects. Becoming a wife, the women has a legal status. moreover she knows, who's the father of the child.

How about women being punished for laughing or smiling in public?
Source please, again this is a false allegation.

How about women who can't talk to men other than their family members ?
Even men cant talk to unknown females. BUT, When can they speak ? only when required, not for fun. like at a workplace. If they are working then they need to interact with their colleagues about their work.

How about the strict dress codes for women ?
STRICT??? They are just said to dress modestly, should not wear revealing clothes. Revealing the body definitely ignites some fire. what does the world think about pamela andreson? & what about a nun, even she covers her head, dresses modestly, even the Muslim women do that, whats the difference?
Moreover even the men are said to dress modestly, even they cant reveal their body.

How about men being allowed in islamic counties to take the law into their own hands if they see a woman commiting a "crime against Islam" ?
Source please...... or any incident?

How about the teachings that all Jews should be killed and all other people should be subject to living according to the Islamic Law whether thay are Islamic or not ?

Who said the jews should be killed. Yeah, i know you will pick one verse from the Holy Quran, which says the jews should be killed. BUT my friend, did you try to ever read the verse before or after it, or try to understand when & why was it revealed that way?
Those verses are quoted out of context. The verses are in context of war, few are when people broke their treaties. Its not simply go & kill the jew who is your neighbor.

EDIT : To Fereshte,
I suggest you to read my answer again.

Do you think that religion should change with time? I dont think so. So whether it be 610AD or 6100AD, the fundamentals shouldnt be changed. Are you willing to go to Church on wednesdays instead of sundays?

Probably you missed out this " The first thing you should know, each wife should be treated equally. If you cant, they you shouldnt marry more than one wife."........"Muslim man can marry upto 4 wives & should treat them equally in all respects." What does, equally in all respect mean?.. It means EVERYTHING, even what you mentioned.

Life is not sex only. There are a lot more things in life apart from that. Forget about the last name, first name blah blah blah. You are in the 21st century, where freedom is given to a lot of people who have misused it. Freedom of expression, nude camps in US. What was the need of that stupid stuff. There are loads of clothes in the market, why dont they wear them & tend be in 4000BC? Prostitution is legalized in germany. What does that mean, have sex with anybody anytime. This is becoming very common. Most modern women arent prostitutes but they have sex with multiple people(sex the desire). & often they have breakups patchups etc.

Islam as a religion tends to curb this. Let me give you an open fire at me " 4 wives, maximum legal sexual relations 4". Now compared to modren society? isnt that a lot better.

EDIT2: I partially agree to what you say, it may look unfair to a women. But, what does Islam say about marriages. men can have upto 4 wives, if he can treat them equally. if he cant dont do it. Its not mandatory to have 4 wives.

Have you ever come across any Muslim man, who has 4 wives? I personally think it is difficult for anybody to manage time. So I wouldnt be thinking of marrying more than one. What say?

The basis/fundamentals dont change with time. I cannot pray my friday Jumaa prayer on saturday. Few rulings are changed with time. few is the keyword here. & I am sure, you would like to remember God everyday instead of only on sundays. Yes, its a personal matter of choice, what we believe in.
Well you seem to be a nice person. take care.

We have deviated a lot from the actual question, hehe.

Answer 2

In many areas, for those who depart Islam you're killed or confused. Even in built nations, there were many honour killings, wherein Muslim households kill their youngsters for leaving Islam. People are scared to depart. Also, Islam calls for that guys convert to Islam earlier than marrying an Islamic girl, and *encourages* females to transform to marry Islamic guys. Plus, appear on the common loved ones within the core east, and what number of children they have got. Of path your faith is developing if each loved ones has five children, brainwashes all of them and the children can not depart Islam with out being killed or ostracized.

Answer 3

Dear jack the ripper, I am feeling sad for you. Your knowledge is based on wrong information and on fallacy. There is no oppresive ideology in Islam. Islam is the natural behavioral pattern of human and human society.
Jack, I request you to think that, you have no freedom to rape. Police will just arrest you. Do you think arresting you for raping is oppresion! Will you say, your Govt is oppresive!
Islam is a set of rules/regulations to make human civilized, cultured and more peaceful. May God give you knowledge and intelligence.

Answer 4

The problem is that every human doesn't desire to be free ! If people are brainwashed , especially in childhood , that it is better ( holier , safer . deserving of long term rewards , etc) to be controlled , opressed then they will place themsevles in positions where they are controlled . Many Christain and other belief systems are also as oppressive as Islam .
Dogs that are trained not to leave their cages by issuing strong electric shocks are very likely to refuse to venture out of their cages even after you prove to them the shocking mechanism is turned off . And even when these dogs are taken out of their cage they are insecure , passive , lack interactive skills , and seek to be passive in a corner . The same type of conditioning hapens to children that are punished or scared into living within certain extreme limitations .
Shiraz a , How about : beheading of homosexuals , transexuals and bi sexuals ? How about only men being allowed to have multiple mates and the right to divorce ?
How about women being punished for laughing or smiling in public ? How about women who can't talk to men other than their family members ? How about the strict dress codes for women ? How about men being allowed in islamic counties to take the law into their own hands if they see a woman commiting a "crime against Islam" ?
How about the teachings that all Jews should be killed and all other people should be subject to living according to the Islamic Law whether thay are Islamic or not ? ( You can get the Islamic religious quotes for those things at Jihad.org )
Wahid , that is the Islamic Fallacy . It is this Fallacy promoted by Mohammed for the purpose of building a strong , agressive and war ready society .It presumes that in nature men have dominence over females and that women are not the legal equal of men . It presumes that homosexuality and any enjoyment of non state sanctioned sexuality is a sin to be punished by the state . It presumes that it is natural to believe in the existance of Allah and the Devil . It presumes that Allah requires prayers be said in worship five times a day . These things are NOT natural to the majority of people in the world today . Mohammed wrote these thing because they did apply to the problems the Muslims were facing at the time . He wanted them to stop singing and dancing and having sexy parties , he wanted strong family units the warriors could depend on . He wanted the warriors to be inspired and united under an intense belief . So in order to get the SUPERSTIOUS people of the time to unite , he told them they were rules given to him by an angel straight from Allah . After all their uniting factor had to be as stong as the Jews's and the Christians . Now-a-days much of those teachings are nonsensical for Muslims in many parts of the world . But in Saudi Arabia and other places , a woman dressed like an average American women would probably be raped unless she was stoned to death first by other women who feel it is their job to keep those women away from the men . And all over , requiring people to pray 5 times a day is just another way , like going to church on Sundays , that the religion tries to keep you participating so that you don't think for yourself and keep following the rules from the leaders who bathe in their own glory and power .

Answer 5

None of the Abrahamic religions offer any kind of freedom. Heaven is supposed to be a place of eternal worship; sounds like slavery to me.

Answer 6

As long as Islam exists, the world will never be free of slavery.
---Churchill.
I Cr 13;8a

Answer 7

I have to agree with some of the others that many religions are oppressive, not just Islam. I mean, according to the bible (if your fundamentalist) I can't have authority over men in the church, I must be submissive, and the man is the head of the house hold (his opinion trumps mine).

As a female, that's pretty oppressive to me.

EDIT: Now, I'm not saying true Islam is oppressive (the Islam that was created in 610AD). However, SHIRAZ, I just want to point out how your reference to marriage IS oppressive.

Each wife should be treated equally? So what? I don't care if my husband can provide for me financially (if I have do, I can provide for myself). I DO care that he's sleeping with three other women! Call them wives if you want, but he's sharing his bed with other women while mine says cold? I don't think so. How is that even remote fair to me?

And yes, a woman can have two husbands and it not matter who the father is. Why? Because is a society that would allow a woman to have two or more husbands, that would be a matrilineal or matriarical society. There as no one cares who the father is, its important who the mother is. (Unlike our patriarchal-patrilineal society that makes no sense. If you go by the mothers last name, then you never have to worry about the child being illegitimate-- we always know who the mother is... not so much the father). There as DNA testing would't be needed. You're thinking with a very patriarchal mindset.

Also (still to Shiraz): men have sexual needs and by having more than one wife sates those needs? Here I must say "WTF?" What about my needs as a woman? SHE must share him with three other woman, so obviously her sexual needs aren't met. So then the man's is satisfied, but the woman is not. That's oppressive. (And if you dare say women don't have the same sexual needs as a man, you're so off base and wrong, I just wouldn't know what to say to that. We crave/need sex just as much as any male.)

Now I'm not attacking Islam, since many religions allow multiple wife marriages. I'm attacking that and pointing out that multiple wife marriages are very very unfair and oppressive to women....

Perhaps you have to be a woman to understand.

Shiraz:
Religion DOES change over time. It is a historical fact. The practices of Christianity when it was established is very different than what it is today. Islam of 610AD is different from Islam of 2007. The texts may be the same (Holy Bible, Torah, Quran) but the practices were different during the time. Do I think religions SHOULD change? For the most part, no. However, my belief and wants has nothing to do with the actuality nor the proofs found in history. (Oh, and yes, I would be willing to go to Church on Wednesday, Friday, whatever day. It is not about the day of the week, but about the time spent with God.

I didn't miss you point about how a husband would have to treat all his wives equally. But I think you also missed my point. His attention (sexually or otherwise) would be divided in three parts. Even if he can divide everything in four parts, the woman is always sharing his attention with someone else while he enjoys their full and undivided attention (as husband and wife. Again, not just sexually). It is not fair in any way for a woman to have to stand by while her husband gives another woman attention even if the other woman is his wife. See, the thing is, he's not sharing her. He's not sharing his wives with another male. Why must she share with another woman? I don't understand how you can't see how unfair that is.

I agree, life is not sex and sex is not the most important thing in life. However, between husband and wife it is a time to bond emotionally, physically, and even spiritually. To create that bond and then go share it with another woman (and condemn the woman then to not create such a bond with another man) is not fair. Its a double standard.

Oh, and freedom of expression, nude camps (I'm not quite sure what these are....) these are called the freedom of choice. Do I agree with these choices? Maybe not. Will I go and strip my clothes off at a nudist colony (is that what you meant?)? No. However, I fully support the freedom for people to make such choices. Do I agree with having sex with anyone? Of course not. However, that is the persons personal choice and I will not interfer with that choice. Why? Becuase that is between them and God. Who would I be to deny them the right to make such choices for themselves?

As far as your last statement" "4 wives, maximum legal sexual realtions 4", you have the number confused. It is maximum sexual realations for the man. For the woman, it is only one. Now I'm not saying I want for men to sleep with. But if I'm sleeping with one man, then he's only sleeping with one woman: me.

Edit3:
Haha, yeah I think we got off topic. I guess in this area we must agree to disagree. And you're right. I have never actually met a muslim male with four wives. Actually, I never met one who even had two wives, so perhaps the idea is moot? Allowed by hardly used? In any event, I enjoyed the banter and perhaps we can argue (on friendly terms) on another topic another time.
Take care.

Answer 8

No more so than any other (oppressive) religion, like christianity.