"Suicide is a sin beyond forgiveness. Cursing one's fleshy body reaps irrevocable disaster on the soul. All who commit the sin of suicide shall forever be bound as prisoners in the Wood of Suicides. God's judgment is irrevocably divine in its righteousness."
btw, i don't agree with this statement. yes, i'm an atheist. if i was relgious, i still would disagree. but, someone replied to one of my questions with this answer. so, i thought i would get everyone's opinion.
just getting everyone's thoughts.
2007-10-21 18:46:25 · 28 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
btw, i'm not suicidal. but, my question did involve suicide.
2007-10-21 18:47:31 · update #1
well, maybe she was being overly extreme? i'm not sure. interesting.
2007-10-21 19:01:37 · update #2
btw, "Wood of Suicides" also left me wondering.
2007-10-21 19:10:25 · update #3
Disagree. Heartily. Life isn't perfect. You have to learn to deal with the fact that people you know and love may choose to kill themselves. It's their choice. Telling a person who is in severe physical or emotional pain that they must continue to suffer indefinitely or suffer an even worse fate is beyond reprehensible to me.
"Suicide is a sin beyond forgiveness."
Assertion, stated without justification. First, what is "sin"? There is 0 proof to suggest that it is something other than a notional invention of man. Second, assuming this passage is Christian in origin, I challenge any Christian to cite one passage from the Bible condemning suicide. They won't find a single one.
"Cursing one's flesh reaps irrevocable disaster on the soul".
Again, they're clearly just using catch-phrases to sound like they know something they don't. What is a "curse" and how do you do it to your "fleshy body"? What is a soul? I can make stuff up, too: This passage is "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing".
The "wood of suicides" is a reference to Dante's 'Inferno' (that's where suicides spend eternity; actually not that bad in comparison to some of the other options), which is not part of Christian dogma in any way other than providing really horrific shock imagery to scare people straight*. Unfortunately, it works more often than you'd think.
* Reasonable people read The Inferno as an isolated man's screed on the kinds of people he dislikes, in ascending order, and the sadistic fantasies he had about them (I've never understood why he hates traitors so much; maybe he got taken by a pyramid scheme or something). You know, Hitler also disliked certain types of people...
2007-10-21 19:23:52 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 0⤋
I disagree.
I'm not a big proponent on the whole "you make a mistake and you are eternally screwed" theory. Everyone makes mistakes. Some commit suicide, whether in continuous depression or a fit of momentary sadness.
Supposedly, God (If you believe) understands that to err is human. As such, I think the statement you quoted is against all that is religious. No one on this planet is allowed to judge, according to what I know of some religions.
Therefore, as an agnostic, no one here can judge. I hope no one commits suicide, because it is a waste. Death will find all of us. Why not take what we can from the life we have? But I will not judge another's decision, or try not to anyways
But still, I don't think it is a sin. We are all sinners anyway. Every last person has sinned in some way, supposedly. So, then what?
2007-10-22 01:55:00 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
I disagree entirely. Other than the irrelevant metaphors, such as "all who commit suicide shall forever be bound as prisoners in the wood of suicides" it also implies sin is something more than a biblical reference. Which dont mean shiit to me.
....also, this statement doesn't do much for people who actually are contemplating suicide.
2007-10-22 18:03:41 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
At 10, almost 11 I saw my father shoot himself to death. A minister told me that I'd never see my daddy in Heaven because he'd taken his own life. I left the church.
Since then I've learned my father was an alcholic. Alcholism is a disease that is 100% fatal, one way or another. This was what took my daddy. I never blamed him, he was my idol. So, no I do not agree with that statement. The being that I call God is a Spirit of goodness, forgivness, help, creativity, and all things positive.
2007-10-22 11:55:52 · answer #4 · answered by jjoy4444 6 · 1⤊ 0⤋
I am a Christian and it is kind of hard for me to put my religious beliefs aside, but I disagree with this statement.
First, I have never heard of the Wood of Suicides. Is this peson making it up?
I believe each of us is here for a purpose. Suicide is a conscious choice reject the plan God has in mind for us. It is a sin.
I also believe God is forgiving and merciful, and I can't imagine that a generally kind and decent person who committed suicide would be eternally damned alongside an unrepentant murder executed in prison.
I also believe that in cases of terminal illness, it should be a person's right to choose when and how to die.
Putting aside ideas of sin and punishment, I believe suicide is a selfish act. It leaves your survivors to deal with grief, loss, guilt, shame, blame, doubts, and what-ifs, and it robs grandchildren, future generations of neices and nephews, cousins, and even strangers who would have been friends of the pleasures of knowing you.
2007-10-22 02:05:41 · answer #5 · answered by graysmom 3 · 1⤊ 0⤋
The physical body is precious in the sense that it is the vehicle of the soul. We need it in this world to control internal energies that will connect us with the divine. Suicide would bring bad karma in the afterlife if it is done just to avoid a life of suffering. But, if you are a POW and you think torture will force you to reveal vital information, I think that would be a legitimate option. Suicide bombers? That would definitely bring bad karma in the afterlife because you cause suffering.
2007-10-22 02:01:06 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 1⤋
disagree.. God will have mercy on whoever He chooses....that statement is the same Dogma presented by Catholicism....which is wrong about a great many things.
The only unpardonable sin, according to scripture...is something the Vatican is SUPREMELY guilty of... to lie against the Holy Spirit.....in SO many ways...not the least of which is the same dogma as the quote you gave above.
Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.
(Mat 12:31) Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
(Mat 12:32) And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
(Mat 12:33) Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
(Mat 12:34) O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
The spirit of the Scribes and Pharisees is still alive and well in Rome..among other places.
2007-10-22 01:58:34 · answer #7 · answered by Kenneth 4 · 1⤊ 0⤋
In Japan suicide was once the only way to restore honor after committing a grievous Faux Pax in their society.
2007-10-22 03:22:48 · answer #8 · answered by ravenscardarkhope 7 · 1⤊ 0⤋
I don't think we can know for sure how we will be judged by God at the end of our days. I think people claim to know a lot but will end up being very surprised one way or the other. People try to conceptualize God in a way that makes sense to their humanity, and I don't think it works that way.
That being said, I'm not a fan of black and white statements and disagree with that statement. I think we just can't know for sure.
2007-10-22 01:58:54 · answer #9 · answered by PediC 5 · 2⤊ 0⤋
personaly i dont think we live for god, even if god created us, we are living for our self. didnt some people say god planned out our entire life? maybe suicidal plans are also created by god. so how can it be a sin if he made us do it. how contradicting. if gods do not have the power to control our decisions, then that means he granted us the right to kill our self. he should take partcial blame for allowing so.
some would say its selfish, its because human has a selfish side it is what makes us humans, even animals have these qualities. if we have not thought of our self then we are not humans anymore. he/she is an it as a saint. i would call this "it" stupid because when this person puts everyone in front of him, people will only take advantage of him. as for what about people who loves you? what makes them so important, their love messages never reached you. it is a waste to shorten life, only when one has the chance to see happyness. its also a waste of time when clearly happyness are untouchable, sitting there being misrable everyday waiting for god to drop miracles, might as well die.
i have a question, should hiter kill him self or is it a waste that he killed him self?
2007-10-22 01:51:36 · answer #10 · answered by dot 2 · 1⤊ 0⤋