Part 2 - Why do Catholics say they are Saved by Grace when their own catechism....?

Question

when clearly their man-made religion says differently? Catholics, which are you going to believe, the Bible or your traditions?
THE ROMAN CATHOLIC TRADITION:
"Even though incorporated into the Church, one who does not however persevere in charity is not saved." , #837
http://www.catholicfirst.com/searchcatechism.cfm?action=search
OR THE BIBLE
"By grace you have been saved through FAITH; and that not of yourselves, it is the GIFT OF GOD; not as a result of works, that no one should boast" Eph. 2: 8-9
"If it is not by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace" (Romans 11:6)

CAN'T YOU SEE THEY CONTRADICT EACH OTHER?! SO, WHICH IS IT?

I'm reading some comments, but you still can't tell me why these contradict each other. ???

Are you going to believe God's word (the bible) or man's tradition?

Answer 1

Bingo.

They can say whatever they want, but catholicism teaches works for salvation, and any one that teaches works for salvation is unsaved and has a false gospel that leads to eternal hell (Galatians 1).

Answer 2

By using the Jewish art of pilpul.And poor hermeneutics,which the long answer by a Catholic here exemplifies in a perfect way for all to see.Using eisegesis the Scripture fits RC catechism books like a hand in glove.They see no contradictions because they believe they can have it both ways.

Answer 3

You have things taken out of context and twisited.....Look up the definition of Eisegesis.

The Catholic Church wrote and defined the Bible. It is a Catholic book. Further, we know that the Bible is the Word of God, because the Pope declared it to be so. (Sooooo.....Protestants do follow the Pope.)

The Church is the Pillar of Truth, Not the Bible

1Ti 3:15 if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth. (n.b. he did not say that the Bible was the pillar and buylwark of the truth.....but the Church who wrote the Bible.)

Read this:

http://www.call2holiness.org/faith.html

Answer 4

Here is a site to a show i saw on TV. It's on DVD. It's actually a Catholic and Protestant talking about their faith and they explain some of their misconceptions about one another. I wish I could tell you when it was going to be on TV free but the DVD is cheap. There is a small clip too.

http://www.protestantcatholic.com/

Answer 5

Did you mention which section of the Catechism you cherrypicked that snippet from? (Yanking out one verse and basing an entire theology on it seems to be a common practice, so it's no wonder you do the same thing with the Catechism to "prove" your point.) Have you actually read all of the Catechism sections that address salvation, or is this just a cut and paste from the CARM website?

Try these:

153 When St. Peter confessed that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God, Jesus declared to him that this revelation did not come "from flesh and blood", but from "my Father who is in heaven". Faith is a gift of God, a supernatural virtue infused by him. "Before this faith can be exercised, man must have the grace of God to move and assist him; he must have the interior helps of the Holy Spirit, who moves the heart and converts it to God, who opens the eyes of the mind and 'makes it easy for all to accept and believe the truth.'"

154 Believing is possible only by grace and the interior helps of the Holy Spirit.

161 Believing in Jesus Christ and in the One who sent him for our salvation is necessary for obtaining that salvation. "Since "without faith it is impossible to please [God]" and to attain to the fellowship of his sons, therefore without faith no one has ever attained justification, nor will anyone obtain eternal life 'But he who endures to the end.'"

183 Faith is necessary for salvation. The Lord himself affirms: "He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned" (Mk 16:16).

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What part of

Salvation is by grace, through faith, and not by works [of LAW, which is the context of the Scripture verses you quoted]

don't you get? We understand it quite well.

Answer 6

quoting here..
"Nevertheless the Bible is not the foundation of the Church, but the Church is the foundation of the Bible. That is why Catholics need Mother Church as the guardian and interpreter of the Bible."
read it all here.
http://www.drbo.org/catechism.htm

WOW!
B I B L E O N L Y!!!

Answer 7

James 2:14-17 (New International Version)

Faith and Deeds

14 What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? 15 Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

P.S. They don't contradict at all faith and work is what Catholics believe and is the truth.

Answer 8

works in that snippet of scripture refer to works of the law, not good works(charity)


you are saved by grace. but you can't just sit there and say "all right i'm saved, now i'll just sit here and wait to die, then God must let me into heaven!"


lost.eu/21618

Answer 9

CCC 1996
Our justification comes from the grace of God. Grace is favor, the free and undeserved help that God gives us to respond to his call to become children of God, adoptive sons, partakers of the divine nature and of eternal life.

Answer 10

yes i see the cotradiction.i am saved by grace,through faith.love pastor carney

Answer 11

First of all, the Catholic view of salvation is not faith plus works, if by works you mean purely human efforts to win God's favor.

Catholics believe in salvation by grace alone, yet grace must not be resisted, either before justification (by remaining in unbelief) or after (by engaging in serious sin). Read carefully 1 Corinthians 6, Galatians 5, and Ephesians 5.

Second, the Bible nowhere uses the expressions "justification by faith alone" or "salvation by faith alone." The first was directly the invention of Luther; the second his by implication. Luther inserted "alone" into the German translation of Romans 3:23 to give credence to his new doctrine.

But your question deals with John 3:16. Yes, this passage does speak of the saving power of faith, but in no sense does it diminish the role of obedience to Christ in the process of getting to heaven.

In fact, it assumes it. Just as Fundamentalists overlook the rest of the chapter in connection with what being born of water and the Holy Spirit really means--they ignore the water part; it refers to baptism--they also overlook the context when interpreting Christ's words about obtaining eternal life in John 3:16.

In John 3:36 we are told, "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever disobeys the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains upon him."

This expands on John 3:16. It is another way of saying what Paul says in Romans 6:23: "The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."

Although we cannot earn God's unmerited favor by our good works, we can reject his love by our sins (that is, by our evil works) and thereby lose the eternal life he freely offers.


What is it with you people? do you actually read the Bible or is it Mein Kamph you study?I have read Catholic Bibles and the KJV and cannot understand how you can derive such hatred and venom from these holy pages.
Do you all sit around under candlelight trying to find anything you can to scandalize the Catholic church,perhaps you should read holy scripture and see how it speaks to your own souls and in doing so perhaps you may profit from it.
You dare to use the word of God to fan the flames of your own hatred while professing to be followers of Jesus Christ,and you are like whited seplechures but yet full of dead mens bones.
Take the plank from your own eye first before you set yourselves up as ministers of God`s word and heap burning coals on your own heads.
You speak no word of life but only death and this you proudly proclaim in the name of Christ, I pray that God will in His infinite mercy take the scales from your eyes and give you hearts for love alone,but this will not happen as long as you hearts are hardened and full of egotistic pride.