Was having a chat with my old man the other day and he was saying that after his courts martial they took away his medals what’s the idea behind this? can the bastards do this surely he earnt them and their his, he also lost half his pension, f****** disgrace that the military treats him and soldiers like him in this way , 24 years 6 tours of Ireland, fought in Borneo and other places, that ive forgotten and the army shits on you
2007-10-20 00:56:56 · 8 answers · asked by Anonymous in Politics & Government ➔ Military
yes he was up for court martial twice one years ago,he was reduced rank and sent to another bn after 2 months he got his rank back then the last was when he was leaving stitched up by some knob and got 3 months in the nick, still a f****** good soldier and well known in the depot even when i joined
2007-10-20 01:08:00 · update #1
his crime, two counts of false accounting when in charge of the mess seems a bit harsh to me for 24 years service
2007-10-20 01:18:09 · update #2
labdoctor
not all court martials lead to being kicked out as you know, as was the case with my old mans first C/M so he did not re enlist the charges for the second were as stated thats it no more no less so your saying that its a fair outcome well your intitiled to your opinion so am i your a navy boy so go play with your little boats
2007-10-20 01:48:10 · update #3
the question is why are medals taken away is this the norm has this happened to other service personel
2007-10-20 01:53:01 · update #4
medals are awarded for different reasons a bravery award is given for acts of bravery so when your C/M your considered un brave? doesnt seem right to me
2007-10-20 02:06:08 · update #5
no hes aware that LSGCM isnt going to happen, were talking about GSM's and campaign medals and a bravery medal
2007-10-20 02:35:15 · update #6
hes lost all his M.I.Ds along with these
2007-10-20 02:49:08 · update #7
cheers jingo for your help
2007-10-20 03:08:54 · update #8
Well if he's had more than one court martial appearance (as you imply), he's not been a great serviceman. However he has at least had the justice of more than one fair trial, and he's still getting half his pension.
However, this must be very difficult for you as his son or daughter , I'm very sorry for you...it must be hard to live with.
EDIT: My hope is that you are going to be smart enough to not let this affect you (it will ruin you) , and you will go on to be a great soldier ....and do it in your dad's name.
EDIT2: No, I've never heard of medals being withdrawn - either GSM's or campaign medals and certainly not for valour. This doesnt sound right. HOWEVER - a disciplinary might very well affect his LSGCM - is this what you are talking about?
EDIT3: No, never heard of this - but then I don't know of anyone that's been through this. Have you tried writing to your Regimental Association and asking for an explanation? If - as sounds likely, he is now 'ex' he will qualify for support frm SSAFA http://www.ssafa.org.uk/ - there will def be someone there who will help with this.
2007-10-20 01:03:41 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 1⤋
The military goes soley by the UCMJ and every member of the armed forces realizes the power of.
I experienced a summary court martial while in the Navy and the punishment I received was fair. Although not as harsh as you say your "old man" got, I'm sure his charges were more severe.
So before you start accusing the military a disgrace, I'd like to hear your fathers side. If your "old man" is as pissed as you say his is why did he keep re-enlisting?
One thing you learn in the military is accountability of ones self, I do not see this in you with your reckless post on Military Justice.
2007-10-20 08:27:32 · answer #2 · answered by labdoctor 5 · 1⤊ 2⤋
Must be the british Army, The United States Army never takes away decorations unless they where awarded under false pretenses.
2007-10-20 08:01:17 · answer #3 · answered by redlegman64 3 · 5⤊ 0⤋
it would appear to me that every answerer so far has failed to read the question properly,the question is,is it the normal run of a DCM in the armed forces(UK) for a serviceman to be stripped of his medals be they gsm,campaign,or for valour after being found guilty at a DCM regardless of the offence,so far,all answers seem to concentrate on what was the offence,who cares,that's not the question(lab doctor,take note)if you do not know the answer then try one you do instead of wasting the person who posted the questions time,i dont know the answer to this so have made no half arsed attempts to unlike some,
2007-10-20 09:49:43 · answer #4 · answered by the devil wears camo 5 · 2⤊ 1⤋
Well it sounds like he received a tough punishment, but apparently he is still receiving half of his pension.
I know that things can be unfair for soldiers in some cases, and had a bad experience of my own. But as in all things, the UCMJ isn't perfect, and neither are the people who sit on Courts martial proceedings.
Was you old man treated unfairly...? I dunno, that depends on what he did. From the sounds if it he did a little poo dropping of his own.
Warm regards,
Douglas
2007-10-20 08:10:18 · answer #5 · answered by prancinglion 5 · 4⤊ 1⤋
that is the most god dam sickening thing i have ever came across. it sounds to me like some callous pen pushing bastard has seen a massive financial saving. your dad deserves justice mate. that is not on. get a petition going on it. put it on the downing street site. and then get the news papers involved. you shouldn't let those ars*oles get away with that. when you've got your petition on the downing st site. post it on here to let us all know, and we'll support you.
2007-10-20 09:48:27 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 2⤋
The army treats its second had squaddies like 5hit. They always have. They get young, idealistic men, and throw them on the scrapheap after they have done with them.
xxR
2007-10-20 08:01:27 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 3⤋
Hmmm suspect he was Court Marshalled for SOMETHING though! Not something thats done just for the fun of it.
2007-10-20 08:00:42 · answer #8 · answered by Sal*UK 7 · 1⤊ 2⤋