Christians that accept Science and see God above the laws, don't you realize that in Science ....?

Question

the laws of nature are the ultimate reality? The laws of nature are the abstract hidden reality that sustain everything, control everything. The scientists already have an ultimate reality in the form of these laws of nature. If you accept Science, then the essence of your God, as for anything else, is the laws of nature. God could not create the laws, because He could not have created His ultimate reality.

God is the awareness behind the laws. The laws and God have always been together. The scientists know little about the laws of nature, so they cannot disprove this view of God. The atheists amongst them will still say that there is no evidence and they will reject Him on that basis. However, there is at the least evidence that the laws of nature are structured within consciousness. This is a first step toward an understanding of God. The evidence has the form of a direct access within consciousness, through meditation, to laws that act directly beyond the physiology.

neil s. : There are so many different meditations that, for concreteness, to remain scientific, we need to specify one technique. I pick Transcendental Meditation (TM) because it has been the most studied. There is overwhelming evidence that TM does not create anomalies, but instead brings the physiology in a more normal state, reduce hypertension, remove stresses, etc. The global brain coherence created by TM is associated with a greater participation of the frontal area of the brain, which is responsible for higher functions (sense of self, judgment, etc.)

The con-TM papers contradict themselves. There are con-TM papers that says that TM have negative side effects. There are also con-TM papers that say that it is like ordinary rest and has essentially no effect. I guess what you decide to pick show what you want to believe. Certainly, to say that overwhelming evidence is no evidence because it was challenged by some contradictory evidence is being biased.

vorenhutz: Thank you. You asked an important question. To really appreciate the answer one must see the scientific evidence and perhaps also have some personal experience. Both the scientific evidence and the personal experience come from a practical technology of consciousness. However, here, I am trying to convey the idea anyway. The reality of all your experiences, the reality of all existence is consciousness. We sometime say that consciousness is the Unified Field of physics, but the difference is that physicists do not see the knower, the awareness aspect, the consciousness aspect in this Unified Field. The current mathematical description of this Unified Field is not well established anyway, but the idea is that consciousness is this abstract field at the basis of existence. In this way, the laws of nature are the structure of consciousness. The point is that we can access these laws more directly within us than outside us with particle accelerators, etc.

Answer 1

I think your question is how can Christians accept Science and God, am I right?

If so, I think that ultimately it is impossible to accept both if you insist on one or the other. A lot of scientists who are Christian loose their faith, because everyday they are working on disproving it. I also think that it is possible to just choose to believe both and pick and choose on the contradicting issues.

Answer 2

1) There is no evidence of a universal consciousness (but nothing suggests you are definitely wrong on this point, either). I have my own ideas about how to move in that direction.
2) If there were such evidence, it would not suggest a personality (if you can accept such an impersonal definition of "god', then we have only a semantic quarrel).
3) Show me a meditative experience that cannot be explained simply as an anomaly of the nervous system. Seriously, I'm doing a PhD in philosophy using Eastern techniques as the basis of a methodology for directly studying consciousness.

The theological leap you are making is exactly what we have to avoid if meditation is to be taken seriously here. Other evidence is needed to support anything close to what you claim. I think it would be amazing, but we must take the time and effort to make sure we are not deluding ourselves.

Answer 3

quite a few motives, yet first, definite that's a generalization. needless to say right here in R&S, we don't get the cream of the crop for Christian thinkers - realistically we get no the place close to that. Secondly, anybody that willfully ignores verifiable info or willingly accepts claims which could particularly validated as incorrect is, nicely, ignorant. 0.33, mutually as you are able to nicely be attentive to knowledgeable persons that are Christians, examine over the final 50 years instruct a unfavourable correlation between educatin and theory. contemporary examine additionally advise that there is a unfavourable correlation between theory and progression of cognitive skills. definite those are developments and there are possibly to be some to many that don't in effective condition the rage. My own wisdom would not effect those developments as I purely have get entry to to my small pattern set (basically like those which you be attentive to contain a small pattern set.) although, interior the 30 or so years that i became a christian, I did discover that maximum individuals have not have been given any clue what an atheist is and quite than acknowledging a loss of expertise will have self belief and profess as certainty something that their church says. that's actual of many stuff alongside with evolution and communities that have no longer something to do with faith being seen cults.

Answer 4

Yes you brought up a good point very well. Here's a rhetorical question.

Which is greater? The temple? Or the one who built the temple?

From this question one sees the creator (God) is separate from his work. Just as the physical is clearly separate from the spiritual. What is most interesting is the physical cannot exist without the spiritual. But the spiritual can exist without the physical.

Physical man cannot touch with a spiritual God at all with intellect or will. Only by a spiritual rebirth in man can he have an eternal relationship with a spiritual God.

Answer 5

Since God did create nature and every thing in it, then that means that He also created the laws of nature. God knows what He is doing, even if the scientists or any body else doesn't have but a very little understanding of nature.

Answer 6

what happens when a person leaves religion? We heal, and when we heal we find ourselves part of something bigger... religions are always quick to take credit and call it god... but it's not.. it is our union.. our link with nature that is re established... you say "The scientists know little about the laws of nature, " That is because of the bombardment of religion on earth imposing barriers as we go along in our learning process... the church use to murder people for it,,, now they seek to censor the information till they can control it and put their religious spin on it.. Think about it no one person in centuries has been able to be born without the religious imposition watching every word, every bit of knowledge that surfaces and when something enlightening is discovered they are quick to derail and overload the subject... ex: evolution.... the proof of evolution could be enormous if the christians would stop harping on the origins of the universe or even the origins of the earth... science is the observation of nature... to see a natural cycle in it's entirety we need to observe something small enough to touch and see... as in the plant life and insect world... something about partridge evolving into ostritch also crossed my desk lately... We evolve all things on earth evolve... one other proof is that religions even christianity must evolve to keep up

Answer 7

God is supernatural. Science is the study of the natural world. God is not a natural being, a physical entity, but a supernatural being, a spiritual entity. He is not bound by the laws of nature.

Canst thou by searching find out God? Yes; because, in the first place, I know I did not make myself, and yet I have existence; and by searching into the nature of other things, I find that no other thing could make itself; and yet millions of other things exist; therefore it is, that I know, by positive conclusion resulting from this search, that there is a power superior to all those things, and that power is God. THOMAS PAINE

Answer 8

well i followed you some of the way, i think your point about natural laws vs god is a good one. i suppose i can't really answer your question as i'm not a christian. but it occurs to me that you may need to expand on what you mean by "the laws of nature are structured within consciousness". i can't parse that.

Answer 9

Universe is going-on by laws , created by science, by eternal power,:God, Allah orChrist, worship Him.

Answer 10

Did you ever realize they come from GOD.