"Hail Mary" ... Absolutely Unique Event In the History of Man?

Question

Search the scriptures and you will be unable to find another instance of an angel greeting any of God's other creatures in such a manner.

Gabriel obviously understood the God ordained role of this humble woman of Nazareth, since his manner of greeting was one of respect and reverence to the mother of Jesus, the queen of the royal house of david, the queen of heaven, and the queen of the angels, according the grace of God, by virtue of her divine motherhood.

Why can't protestants understand this simple text?

Luk 1:28 And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women ...
Luk 1:31 Behold thou shalt conceive in thy womb and shalt bring forth a son: and thou shalt call his name Jesus.
Luk 1:32 He shall be great and shall be called the Son of the Most High. And the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of David his father: and he shall reign in the house of Jacob for ever. And his kindom will have no end.

For GH .... was the Jesus who emerged from Mary's blessed womb NOT God? If he is God, than how can Mary NOT be the mother of God?

The text defines who Jesus is, and it also defines who Mary is, in relation to Jesus.

Jesus is king. Mary is therefore queen. Queen of the royal house of David. Queen of Jesus' heavenly kingdom.

You can attempt to put limitations on Mary if you want to. I'll pass.

To Mseniorpogi ... All the stuff you mention needs to be interpreted in light of this precedent setting and totally unique passage of scripture.

This is where the incarnate Jesus is first clearly named, described, and conceived ... and this is where Mary's destiny becomes eternally united to Christ's.

You interpret your proof texts to mean what you want them to, but this scripture preceeds all of yours, and obviously sets the new testament precedent ... a precedent which was already established in the old testament by 1st Kings 2:16-20, where the queen mother of the king of Israel became the revered and honored official intercessor between the king and the king's subjects, complete with her own throne, seated at the king's right hand ... the right hand of power.

You are the one following a false faith tradiiton of your own making, and you refuse to see it, while Catholics have always believed the whole truth of what Gabriel so eloquently proclaimed.

For Adopted - According to the rules of the Davidic Kingdom, and as far as we know, the heavenly one as well, the MOTHER of the King is the Queen.

This was always the case. It was demonstrated in scripture during the reign of Solomon, who had many, many wives, but only one Queen ... Bathsheba ... his mother.

Bathsheba's official position was one of honor and respect, as the intercessor between her son and the poeple of the kingdom, and it warranted her own throne at the King's right hand.

In this, Bathsheba "outranked" all of Solomon's wives, and she also outranked everyone else in the kingdom, except for the King.

And there has never been any doubt that Mary needed a redeemer. Mary was "pre-saved" and protected from any stain of sin ... from the moment of her conception ... by God and his grace ... for the express purpose of bearing the Son of God ... who needed to be sinless in order to serve as our redeemer.

All your other passages only serve to muddy the waters.

Answer 1

Because Protestants have spent their time debating about Mary, they have rarely attempted to claim her as their own. Consequently, she has become little more than a delicate piece in a Christmas crèche, whom they bring out without comment at Christmas and then wrap up gently until they see her again next Advent.

I found this Christian website:

"The Mary We Never Knew"
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2006/december/8.26.html

"The Gospels come from many voices, and one of those was Mary's. Her voice tells us what God would do through her son to subvert the injustices of Herod and the pretentiousness of Augustus. Her voice tells us that somehow, some way, someday, God would establish a kingdom of peace for the whole world. The real Mary, in the story rarely told, changed the world by surrendering to the angel Gabriel with three words: "May it be." And God used her to set loose the power of God, the gospel of the kingdom. This is the real Mary, and we need to reclaim her voice as our own."





Maybe there is hope that they will understand the meaning of the Mary.





Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee; blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen.

Answer 2

I find it necessary to be careful when speaking about the mother of Jesus. I know how I would feel if anyone minimized her position at all.

Mary was well aware that Jesus was the one who was to be worshiped and even pointed out that she needed a savior.

Luk 1:46 And Mary said:


"My soul magnifies the Lord,
Luk 1:47 And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.

Noting that she was in need of a savior is important. Now the Queen of Heaven would be the bride of Christ. The Church is the Bride of Christ:

Rom 7:4 Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another--to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God.

Also, he uses a picture of the Jewish wedding where he says:
Joh 14:2 In My Father's house are many mansions;[1] if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.[2]
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also.

The Groom would go and build an addition on his father's house before bringing the Bride to the wedding feast, and then they would live there for a period of time after that. (Jewish Tradition)

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Mary will always be held in high esteem by me for the fact that she carried our God and Savior. She also needed a Savior though. The Bible teaches all fall short of the Glory of God. All have sinned:

Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Rom 3:24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,

Also, Mary didn't create Jesus, she held him in her womb, otherwise, Jesus would be carrying original sin, because he would be Adam's decedent.

But notice he is not Adam's descendant but a new Adam, having a pure sinless body:

1Co 15:45 And so it is written, "The first man Adam became a living being."[4] The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
1Co 15:46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual.
1Co 15:47 The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord[5] from heaven.

2Co 5:21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
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1Ti 1:15 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief.

Who did he come to save?
Mat 18:11 For the Son of Man has come to save that which was lost.[1]
Mat 18:12 "What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep, and one of them goes astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine and go to the mountains to seek the one that is straying?

And again, who is lost:
Mar 2:17 When Jesus heard it, He said to them, "Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance."


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Then who should be worshiped? Who is the Savior?

Isa 43:10 "You are My witnesses," says the LORD,
"And My servant whom I have chosen,
That you may know and believe Me,
And understand that I am He.
Before Me there was no God formed,
Nor shall there be after Me.
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD,
And besides Me there is no savior.


Exo 34:14 (for you shall worship no other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God),

and

Joh 4:23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.
Joh 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."

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2Co 5:8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.

So if Mary is sitting with the Lord, then prayer belongs and should be directed to the Lord. No where does Jesus command that you pray to any other, nor does he infer that it is an option.

Answer 3

I sincerely believe that many protestant ministers and followers know that what you say is true, and do understand what they read. The only reason that they refuse to admit that it is true is to dispute the Catholics and what we believe. It is pure jealousy and arrogants. I don't say this about all of their followers. I truly believe you have those who are just not well educated and really don't understand what they read and so they simply believe in what these people are telling them. I believe God will excuse those who are being led by those who are misguiding them deliberately, and I feel sorry for those who know the real truth and are keeping it from them. Pray for them. It is in the bible that even in the church sorry to say you will find your hypocrites. I am not a highly educated person at all and even I understand everything you have said perfectly. I have sense enough to know that many of these minister are far more educated than I am, and they understand it too. They are liars.

Answer 4

For all the hate that protestants have in their lives they reserve a special place for catholics. They dont know what to do with the fact that it was the faith of the original christians so they hang on to all they have - a bible fipped apart by a jew hateing monk 400 years ago.

As such they look at mary and because it doesnt fit in their context or "church" and the little semi-social groups that they have created they throw he out, pure and simple.

Jesus said something about people claiming to have done things in his name and not knowing them, clearly protestants do things in christs name but dont know him.

If someone insults my mother they do not get my favor, i wonder how Jesus feels about people who disrespect his mother.

Answer 5

Protestantism would have to find fault otherwise what reason would it have to secede from the Catholic Church.Jesus did declare "whatever you bind on earth shall be considered bound in Heaven".

Answer 6

And there's no argument on the scripture that you qouted...

This is almost exactly the greeting of the angel to Mary - - "And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women ... " (Luk 1:28)

And this is the limitation that we should uphold toward Mary - - that every generation should call her "blessed art thou amongst women" (KJV)

Calling her "mother of God" is already idolatry. Otherwise, we should be changing what is written in John 1:1 - - "In the beginning was the "mother", and the "mother" gave birth to God...and the "mother" was also God..."???

Let us only limit ourselves in what is written so as not to lose tract with regards to salvation, okey?

God bless...
GH

Answer 7

Well, I would like to have an answer, but I don't.
That's one of the things that make no sense in protestantism

Answer 8

If you are a Roman Catholic, of course you have to stand for what you believe! But if you love God, search the Scriptures, John 5:39; Matthew 6:33; Luke 12:31; 2Timothy 2:15; 2Timothy 3:16 and

Finally; Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Therefore, what's the relationship of worshiping God and Lord Jesus in giving the glory to Mary?

For Mary herself is human like ourself not God, so how you understand this Holy Words from God and Lord Jesus Christ?
Luk 11:27 And it came to pass, as he (Lord Jesus Christ) spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.
Luk 11:28 But Lord Jesus Christ said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

Are you saying Mary was ordained to be an intercessor in behalf of Lord Jesus Christ? That's why you recite the rosary?

Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

Do you not find boring (just to yourself) in repeating 52 times everytime you recite the rosary?

For God said; Mat 6:8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

That God and Lord Jesus Christ being: Omnipotent, all powerful God; Omniscient, all knowing God; Omnipresent, God is everywhere at any given time. That God already knows our hearts, our needs! Does it make sense to keep reciting Hail Mary to be heard by God?

Open your eyes, and be wise not as fools. start seeking the truth; Isa 55:6 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
Isa 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Isa 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Are you saying God and Lord Jesus Christ commanded Roman Catholic to recite the rosary to be heard? In your prayers? Open your eyes, awake from your deep sleep, humble to God, deny yourselves from doing your own good works, for only by the power of the Holy Spirit that we can do God's works, Philippians 2:13.

Before its too late to realized that your prayer is all in vain, for the days are evil we need to redeem the time; Col 4:5 Walk in wisdom toward them that are without, redeeming the time.
Col 4:6 Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.
Eph 5:15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
Eph 5:16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
Eph 5:17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

Is reciting the rosary a part of God's Holy Will for Roman Catholics?

Why not study, read and listen to God instead? Maybe you'll find the truth; I was raised Roman Catholic and there is a hymn that goes;
"Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness
And all these things shall be added unto you." Matthew 6:33.

Does these people, who sings such hymn really understands the true meaning?

Does the hymn means recite first the rosary and you'll find the kingdom of God and His righteousness?

And God said; 2Pe 3:18 BUT grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever. Amen.

Answer 9

I know it---it makes you want to cry for her sake. I dont know how they are going to get this one by Jesus---could this be the unforgivable sin to the Holy Spirit seeing as how she is the spouse of the Holy Spirit?

Answer 10

AMEN!!!