I hear both being mentioned a great deal but they are a contradiction.Plan implies chosen outcome,free will implies none.how can you believe two opposites at the same time?
2007-10-18 22:48:59 · 22 answers · asked by Cotton Wool Ninja 6 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
So by your argument god can plan me to go to hell,but give me the free will to choose where he wants me to go?
2007-10-18 22:54:06 · update #1
You are going to get some wacky reasoning here, you jsut watch. "Oh, god knows what you are going to do but you still make the choice to do it." or some similar logically inconsistent argument.
2007-10-18 22:52:55 · answer #1 · answered by Dashes 6 · 1⤊ 2⤋
I think the idea here is interaction to walk with God by an act of your own free will. The laws of physics and nature also can be viewed to limit your absolute free will, so does science negate your free will too then? The price of any relationship is some forfieture of your absolute Will, by the very nature of the association , it is a trade off or a compromise on your part.
2007-10-19 06:13:13 · answer #2 · answered by FORTY55_ 3 · 1⤊ 1⤋
Well, the question is if God's plan is coercive... Also, you must bear in mind that we have a modicum of freewill, but we do not have true liberty.
Example, you had no choice when you were born, nor from whom, nor did you have a choice of what sex you would be. You had no choice about MOST of the things in your life. Understanding that is understanding the Christian view of "free will".
Also, after the fall, we lost our ability to freely choose anything. We have the ability to choose, but not the desire to choose that which is "good" and "holy". We are "fallen", which means that our minds have been darkened.
Does God's foreknowledge act in a coercive way? Does his knowledge cause you to behave in a way? No. Those are freely your choices. He had enough faith in you to trust that you would make your choices. He looked down the corridors of time and put you specifically here, and trusted that you would make the choices that you made, giving you the freedom to choose and "planning" "trusting" "knowing" but not CAUSING you to do what you have done...
2007-10-19 06:03:58 · answer #3 · answered by TK421 5 · 0⤊ 2⤋
If Transcendent God the Father wills it and Immanent God the Son is God that interacts with creation, who we freely interact with, and the Holy Spirit orchestrates the parameters of our choices to work all things after the Fathers will. We still have freewill choice within parameters of Gods fore ordained will.
In a sense, it is like a living novel and each day is a new page being written according to the will of God but within the parameters of freedom for us and the accomplishment of his plan. In this story, based on our choices, the potential for us to be the villian or the hero still exists.
2007-10-19 05:59:13 · answer #4 · answered by Who's got my back? 5 · 0⤊ 2⤋
I taketh we have the option to either follow God's plan or exercise your God given free will and not follow His plan.
God doesn't make us do anything. But, He knows what to allow us to go through to get us on track with His plan.
Everyone is not a child of God. There are some people that God hand picked to make it to heaven, some He didn't.
The bible let's us know that there are children of God and children of the devil in this world.
2007-10-19 05:58:49 · answer #5 · answered by chezpaul1777 2 · 2⤊ 1⤋
Not all people have free chose, must do.
If you gave your life to the lord and He has need of you, He will make chooses for you. He will guide you and lead you on his path. Just look at Paul's life. God only chose those that are strong & love him.
( God has a plane & if you are part of that plane God will takeover your life, and use you. ) If you let him!!!
Not to worry, if god calls you-you'll know it.
God bleese you.
2007-10-19 06:11:03 · answer #6 · answered by auburn1597 1 · 0⤊ 1⤋
I can plan a party and invite all my friends, but they have the free will to decline the invitation or simply not show.
God wishes that none be lost, but some are Hell bent on missing His invitation to Heaven and Eternity with Him.
2007-10-19 06:07:03 · answer #7 · answered by WYNNER01 5 · 1⤊ 1⤋
God plans whether you'll be male or female, to which set of parents you'll be born to, what country you will live in, what persons you'll meet and so on, but He leaves it to your free will to decide how you will react in certain situations and how you interact with people. God's plans and free will don't have to exclude each other, they complement each other.
2007-10-19 07:16:02 · answer #8 · answered by just m 2 · 0⤊ 1⤋
no god but also no free will. we are just tiny pawns whos lives are controlled by the world around us. the universe controls our lives not god and not us. every atom in the world is reacting to forces around it. if you can measure every atom and force in the universe then you could technically say where every atom will move next and next and next and so on. we are all just a bunch of atoms and energy reacting to the other atoms and energy around us and so if these forces can be measured then the future can be predicted 100% for eternity
2007-10-19 05:57:22 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 1⤋
its complicated.
i think that each of us has free choice when it comes to options, what means that we are limited, for example like in computer game. You know possible ends but it is up to you which one you will chose. And end is know, but it is only known according to your present actions, if you change your actions later on, the end might change.
What gives us few possible outcomes but still they all are known.
I think that free will is that you chose to live or die.
2007-10-19 05:56:39 · answer #10 · answered by mrangelosd 4 · 1⤊ 1⤋