Roman Catholics I have a question about the assumption of Mary?

Question

Since this teaching is based entirely on Tradition and not scripture (a fact acknowledged by serious Catholic theologians such as Ludwig Ott ) can you tell me what Christian taught this doctrine in the first five centuries of the church age?

Everyday: The feast of the dormition and the belief that Mary was assumed into heaven and crowned Queen of heaven (part and parcel of the assumption doctrine) are two different things.
The Orthodox Church teaches that Mary died a natural death, like any human being; that her soul was received by Christ upon death; and that her body was resurrected on the third day after her repose, at which time she was taken up, soul and body, into heaven in anticipation of the general resurrection. Her tomb was found empty on the third day.
This does not teach the doctrine that I am refering to, and neither does your statement from Epiphanius.

Answer 1

I'm Still not Catholic but...

Martin Luther had no opinion regarding weather or not Mary's body had been assumed into Heaven. He did however say that weather she was or was not is of no consequence. One thing is certain, Mary IS in Heaven!

I agree.

Mark

Answer 2

Much of the traditional, though non sola practices of the Church have never been about through invention or even contradiction. But it is that when such matters are made as dogma, it is merely to establish an actual statement of belief on something that was already taken for granted in the earliest days of the church.

The Ark of the Covenant, in all its finery, has never been found. How could such an immeasurably treasured piece of antiquity by any standards pass into mythology, without trace ?
By the same token the silence on the fate of the Blessed Virgin should be deafening, after all She was the vessel who bore the living God and as such should be given the same veneration as the hebrews gave the Ark. Christ often commanded things not be recorded or recalled to others of key miracles He performed and to those he performed them on.

Answer 3

Epiphanius said in A.D. 377, "Let them search the scriptures. They will not find Mary's death; they will not find whether she died or did not die; they will not find whether she was buried or was not buried. More than that: John journeyed to Asia, yet nowhere do we read that he took the holy Virgin with him. Rather, Scripture is absolutely silent [on Mary's earthly end] because of the extraordinary nature of the prodigy, in order not to shock the minds of men. . . . Neither do I maintain stoutly that she died. . . .

By the end of the fourth century, the feast of the Dormitio or Koimesis, which celebrated Mary's death, resurrection, and Assumption, was celebrated throughout the East. A feast celebrating Mary's entrance to heaven, "The Memory of Mary," also began around the fourth century. The significance of these early feasts cannot be overlooked, as they are testimony to the truths that the Church knew to be true. Christians would not initiate feasts throughout the Church that were ideas on the fringes of Catholic thought.

One reason why it is difficult to assess where Mary's last days were is because she left no remains. The early Church prized the relics of early Christians, as can be seen by reading The Martyrdom of Polycarp. However, no one claimed to have Mary's remains, which would have been prized above all others. There is no historical reference to the relics of Mary, the corruption of Mary, or the place where her body lies. A skeptic who denies Christ's Resurrection should be asked to find evidence of the remains of Christ, and the same challenge can be extended to whoever denies Mary's Assumption.

Answer 4

Catholics believe in the assumption of the body of the Blessed Virgin Mary into heaven after her death.

John 19:26-27 states:

When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple there whom he loved, he said to his mother, "Woman, behold, your son." Then he said to the disciple, "Behold, your mother." And from that hour the disciple (John) took her into his home.

The minutes of the Ecumenical Council of Ephesus in 431 C.E. indicate that four or six years after the death and resurrection of Jesus, John and the Virgin Mary came together to Ephesus, and for a short time stayed in the building, a section of which is now under Church of the Virgin Mary today.

Later John moved the Virgin Mary to a house he had prepared for her on Bulbul Dagi (Bulbul Hill). She lived there until the end of her earthly life.

St. John of Damascus (P. G., I, 96) later wrote:

St. Juvenal, Bishop of Jerusalem, at the Council of Chalcedon (451), made known to the Emperor Marcian and Pulcheria, who wished to possess the body of the Mother of God, that Mary died in the presence of all the Apostles, but that her tomb, when opened, upon the request of St. Thomas, was found empty; wherefrom the Apostles concluded that the body was taken up to heaven.

http://www.turktour.com/virgin_mary.html
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02006b.htm

With love in Christ.

Answer 5

It is actually based on scripture, though scripture that was concocted.

FYI: In 325AD the Council of Nicea, a coucil of bishops and religious and political figureheads, got together to vote on the divinity of Yeshua ben Joseph (Jesus) and the virgin birth. Of course, you know the outcome.

Once the vote was concluded, the scripture was changed worldwide and was accepted as 'new evidence to believe in god'.

Answer 6

there is a great book called is mary dead or alive. you will get many answers about the deception . Mary is dead and can not do anything for you or any of us she will not be in heaven or any place but in the dust. she was not one of the first fruits of resurection. she is gone to the grave and will sleep until Jesus returns. to claim all the saints.

Answer 7

Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! -John 19:27.
Sounds the opposite to me.

Answer 8

Well you know what happend when you assume about Mary,