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in regard to the proper rendering of Zechariah 12:10?

2007-10-18 03:27:29 · 17 answers · asked by Nina, BaC 7 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

Pal: Who has made that consideration? BE aware of the false teachers

2007-10-18 03:35:24 · update #1

Emerit: Read my last question's added detail for more info about my source.

2007-10-18 03:39:06 · update #2

Keiichi: Israel's repentance will come because they look to Jesus, the One whom they rejected and crucified.

When God Jehovah says they pierced "Me", He is certainly affirming the incarnation of deity: Jesus is God Jehovah.

John 10:30 " I and my Father are one. Both Father and Son are committed to the perfect protection and preservation of Jesus' sheep. The sentence, emphasizing the united purpose and action of both in the security and safety of the flock, presupposes unity of nature and essence.

2007-10-19 00:58:07 · update #3

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It is more important to the Jehovah's Witnesses that the Bible conform to Watchtower doctrine, not the other way around.
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2007-10-18 03:33:17 · answer #1 · answered by Weird Darryl 6 · 6 7

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2016-10-04 02:16:58 · answer #2 · answered by ? 4 · 0 0

As Jesus taught us to pray to his Father Jehovah through him, I will pray for you that your eyes be opened to the truth.

Millions of people all over the world are leaving false religion and studying with Jehovah's Witnesses. People are learning the truth about Jehovah God and his only begotten Son Jesus Christ.

You can not stop our preaching work because we are sent by Jehovah to do this work.

All the ones that attack us and call us a cult will soon know that Jehovah is God Almighty and that we are His Witnesses.

Also if you think you have the truth why don't you go preach?

Remember there are alot of depressed people in the world that can not get to church. Are you going to go and help them or just sit around on yahoo answers all day and attack our beliefs?

2007-10-18 06:56:46 · answer #3 · answered by Jason W 4 · 2 1

The Hebrew words "et asher" are not found very often in scripture. When they do occur together the phrase is read as "concerning whom" or "concerning that" but never as "whom". You can see this by reading the original Hebrew of Ezekiel 36:27.

Thus the New World Translation is close to the same meaning. Using "look whom" rather then "concerning whom", but still using "et asher" correctly.

A more accurate translation of Zechariah 12:10 should be:

"they will look onto Me 'concerning whom' they have pierced and they will mourn for him"

2007-10-18 09:32:32 · answer #4 · answered by keiichi 6 · 2 1

No, it doesn't. Unsilenced Lamb or some other apostate already asked that question. Why don't you look at the answers she got?

If I knew you really wanted to know, I would explain it, but I would be wasting my time if I did.

Why don't you ask a question about a truly spurious text in the Bible at 1 John 5:7 (KJB) and ask what the most realiabe manuscripts say about that? That is, if you really cared.

All you want is a cheering section, and you got it. Satisfied?

2007-10-18 04:07:09 · answer #5 · answered by LineDancer 7 · 3 2

The New World Translation is unique in one thing – it is the first intentional systematic effort at producing a complete version of the Bible that is edited and revised for the specific purpose of agreeing with a group's doctrine. The Jehovah’s Witnesses and Watchtower Society realized that their beliefs contradicted Scripture. So, rather than conforming their beliefs to Scripture, they altered Scripture to agree with their beliefs. The “New World Bible Translation Committee” went through the Bible and changed any Scripture that did not agree with Jehovah’s Witness’ theology. This is clearly demonstrated by the fact that as new editions to the New World Translation were published, additional changes were made to the Biblical text. As Biblical Christians continued to point out Scriptures that clearly argue for the deity of Christ (for example), the Watchtower Society would publish a new edition of the New World Translation with those Scriptures changed.

2007-10-18 03:47:10 · answer #6 · answered by Freedom 7 · 4 5

A translation of the Holy Scriptures made directly from Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek into modern-day English by a committee of anointed witnesses of Jehovah. These expressed themselves regarding their work as follows: “The translators of this work, who fear and love the Divine Author of the Holy Scriptures, feel toward Him a special responsibility to transmit his thoughts and declarations as accurately as possible. They also feel a responsibility toward the searching readers who depend upon a translation of the inspired Word of the Most High God for their everlasting salvation.” This translation was originally released in sections, from 1950 to 1960. Editions in other languages have been based on the English translation.

On what is the “New World Translation” based?

As a basis for translating the Hebrew Scriptures, the text of Rudolf Kittel’s Biblia Hebraica, editions of 1951-1955, was used. The 1984 revision of the New World Translation benefited from updating in harmony with the Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia of 1977. Additionally, the Dead Sea Scrolls and numerous early translations into other languages were consulted. For the Christian Greek Scriptures, the master Greek text of 1881 as prepared by Westcott and Hort was used primarily, but several other master texts were consulted as well as numerous early versions in other languages.
Jesus’ entry into Jerusalem as king, “humble, and riding upon an ***,” his betrayal for “thirty pieces of silver,” the scattering of his disciples at that time, and his being pierced on the stake by the soldier’s spear were all foretold by Zechariah in exact detail. (Zech. 9:9; 11:12; 13:7; 12:10) The prophecy also names the “Sprout” as the builder of the temple of Jehovah. A comparison of Isaiah 11:1-10; Jeremiah 23:5; and Luke 1:32, 33 shows this one to be Jesus Christ, who “will rule as king over the house of Jacob forever.” Zechariah describes the “Sprout” as “a priest upon his throne,” which ties in with the apostle Paul’s words: “Jesus . . . has become a high priest according to the manner of Melchizedek forever,” also, “He has sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens.” (Zech. 6:12, 13; Heb. 6:20; 8:1) Thus the prophecy points to the “Sprout” as High Priest and King at God’s right hand in the heavens, while at the same time it proclaims Jehovah as Sovereign Ruler over all: “And Jehovah must become king over all the earth. In that day Jehovah will prove to be one, and his name one.”—Zech. 14:9.

2007-10-18 03:40:53 · answer #7 · answered by Just So 6 · 3 3

Would the questioner similarly criticize Rotherham, American Standard Version, Moffatt, An American Translation, and Revised Standard Version?

It seems rather obvious that Jesus the Son was literally pierced, while Jehovah the Father was figuratively pained by seeing His Son's suffering.

Trinitarians who point to Zechariah 12:10 do their cause a disservice when they pretend that nontrinitarians (or unitarians with a lower-case "u") misunderstand the original Hebrew there. Bible students and scholars have long acknowledged that "They shall look upon me whom they have pierced" is the LITERAL translation of this verse.

But this Scripture is *NOT* to be taken literally.

Clearly, any parent would feel the pain of his child. When Christ Jesus the Son was cut, of course his Father Jehovah felt that pain. Trinitarians and non-Trinitarian Christians alike should well-understand this point, and note that "the Father" remained in heaven when "the Son" was impaled on earth.
...(Luke 23:46) Jesus called with a loud voice and said: "Father, into your hands I entrust my spirit." When he had said this, he expired.


Interestingly, bible prophesy shows that *EVEN MARY* the human mother of Jesus would feel this stabbing pain when the human Jesus was impaled:
...(Luke 2:34-35) [The prophet] Simeon blessed them [Joseph, Mary, and the infant Jesus], but said to Mary its mother: "Look! This one is laid for the fall and the rising again of many in Israel and for a sign to be talked against (yes, a long sword will be run through the soul of you yourself)


Rotherham, American Standard Version, Moffatt, An American Translation and Revised Standard Version all use "him" instead of "me" either in the main body of the text itself or in a footnote as an honest alternative. Whether the pierced one is Jehovah or Jesus, there is a more logical translation.
...(Zechariah 12:10) And I [Jehovah] will pour out upon the house of David and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem the spirit of favor and entreaties, and they will certainly look to the One whom they pierced


Sadly trinitarians repeatedly misapply scripture while they insist upon worldly philosophy, Greek paganisms, and quotes from other Babylon-loving Trinitarians to support their unscriptural ideas. By contrast, Jehovah's Witnesses believe that the Scriptures alone quite plainly demonstrate that Jesus and the Almighty are separate distinct persons, and the Almighty created Jesus as His firstborn son.

(Colossians 1:15) the firstborn of all creation

(Mark 10:18) Jesus said to him: 'Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God.

(Revelation 3:14) the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God

(Philippians 2:5-6) Christ Jesus, who, although he was existing in God's form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God

(John 8:42) Neither have I come of my own initiative at all, but that One sent me forth

(John 12:49) I have not spoken out of my own impulse, but the Father himself who sent me has given me a commandment as to what to tell and what to speak

(John 14:28) I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am

(1 Corinthians 15:28) But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him

(Matthew 20:23) this sitting down at my right hand and at my left is not mine to give, but it belongs to those for whom it has been prepared by my Father

(1 Corinthians 11:3) I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; ...in turn the head of the Christ is God

(John 20:17) I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.

(Deuteronomy 6:4) Jehovah our God is one Jehovah

(1 Corinthians 8:4-6) There is no God but one. For even though there are those who are called "gods," whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many "gods" and many "lords," there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him

Thanks again for an opportunity to share what the bible actually says about the distinct persons of Jesus Christ the Son and Jehovah God the Father!

Learn more!
http://watchtower.co.uk/e/ti/index.htm?article=article_05.htm

2007-10-18 05:23:58 · answer #8 · answered by achtung_heiss 7 · 3 2

For the same reason all religions change the the words around ,......So that they can teach what ever benefits them the most and claim it came rite from the bible.

2007-10-18 03:56:14 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 1 2

Yes, the Majority Text (King James version 1611) is the real Bible.

The Catholic Bible, Jehovah's witness Bible and many others cults bibles are from the Alexandrian Text. Check to see if Acts 8:37 is missing, this is the tell tail sign.

Majority Text, or Received Text is from Antioch (the real bible)
Alexandrian Text is from Egypt (Alexandrians were also a Cult)

2007-10-18 03:31:55 · answer #10 · answered by brian 2 · 3 6

Why ???? Very simple.........the devil is behind this, and his goal is to lead as many as possible down the path of false doctrine, straight to destruction. What an awful thing.

2007-10-18 05:03:58 · answer #11 · answered by Anonymous · 1 2

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