How can you refute the argument, "The universe had to have a creator"?

Question

The whole argument goes something like this: If the Big Bang is true then there had to be an eternity of time before the Big Bang took place. There had to be an eternity of time because time as we know cannot exist without matter. Since God is outside and beyond the space-time continuum He is not bound by it. Therefore, He could've created the universe even though there was an eternity of time before the universe was created.

I'm not sure if I got the whole argument correct. But I can already see flaws in it.

What flaws can you see in the argument, atheists? Can you approve upon the argument, theists?

All these arguments aren't really good. Ah well.

Answer 1

1) What makes you think God is beyond/outside spacetime?

2) This can be applied to anything - the pink unicorn of doom is outside spacetime and not bound to it and so could have created the universe - did you see what I did there?

3) You're trying to anthropomorphising physical laws, stop it.

4) "All of these answers are not good" - did you flunk English or something?

Answer 2

Point 1 against it - saying everything to have been created and then saying therefore God exists is logical inconsistent - if that is true God had to have been created, too. If the theist wishes to say God always existed or is immune to the argument why not save a step and say the universe always existed.

2 An entity complex enough to manually select physical laws suitable for carbon bonding and life, let alone actually created living creatures from scratch requires far more explanation than it solves. Therefore saying God did it only ever complicates an explanation rather than simplifying it in to physical laws we can account for and explain in natural terms.

3 In terms of common sense. It does not make sense to assume knowledge of a superhuman intellect but it does not make sense that we would be created with one short test-life only to spend forever in some dreary holiday camp or tortured for eternity. If you know everything, why do anything?

Answer 3

The fact is that one has no warrant, in either reason or experience, for saying that the universe had a beginning, let alone that its beginning was caused or "created" by something outside the universe.

The idea that the universe has been around forever, with no beginning and no cause, is no more preposterous than the idea that God has been around forever without a beginning or a cause. As many have objected, if uncreated existence is a possibility for God, why isn't it also a possibility for the universe?

Answer 4

That argument is week to begin with. If the universe needed a creator, then God needs a creator (despite the eternity of time). But the argument, as it is typically presented by philosophers, is not that the universe needs a creator. It is that the chain of causality needs a first cause.

You could argue that it is unscientific to insert God as an explanation for an unknown (which is true). But theistic philosophers will accuse you of being a positivist, and then ask you to justify your presuppositions. Good luck with that.

Answer 5

What makes you think there 'had' to be a creator of the universe? Perhaps the universe has always existed. Perhaps there was a 'Big Bang' that began the current universe that we know. Either way, there is no indication that any type of 'creator' needed to be present.

Answer 6

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Answer 7

If something existed outside of time and space then it exists outside this universe and could not effect this universe.

That is of course entirely ignoring the fact the big bang is just the creation point of this version of the universe.

Answer 8

The argument is fundamentally flawed as you, from the beginning, assume that this god was the creator.

Time is an illusion, it was created by humans as a unit of measurement. To an animal, what we once were, time means nothing. To a tree, time is irrelivant.

It all has to do with perspective.

Time is as infinate as it always was, and that is to say that it never was but always was.

Answer 9

How can you say the universe needs a creator but god just always was??? ah silly rules silly rules. I can say and believe whatever I want and I don't need your permission or anyone elses. if I say that there is a pink elephant in my room and choose to thoroughly believe it nothing you can say will make my belief any less valid. Thank you

Answer 10

If God was outside of the realm of creation how could have impact on it. Wouldn't the being of all beings have to have some realm to exist in to even effect ours. If that is the case than he would not have an effect here because God would exist outside of our realm of existance.