Are there two realities?

Question

Krishna, Buddha, Plato, Jesus, Augustine, Kant and many others insisted that there are two realities. One is temporary, material, phenomenological, apparent or of the forms. The other is permanent, spiritual and lies beyond this one.

Those who claimed the validity of this idea have never proven the existence of two realities. They asserted that we can only choose between believing or not believing, but that to really know the spiritual reality one must die. Does that make logical sense to you? Could these famous people be wrong? Knowing that ideas, no matter who thinks them up, are not automatically true, what method do we have at our disposal to test these concepts and see if they are true or false? Does logical thinking have any validity? Do we really have no other way, but die?

Madar Chod
For a moment you convinced me that i might have written "realty". I did write REALITIES.

Daisy Indigo
So, are you saying that Patanjali can proove that this that we are living in is fake, but the one he knows about is the real one? Can he scientifically prove it or is he asking us to believe his meditation technique?

chdoctor
Now, let me translate what you just said. There is a science of knowledge (epistemology) that allows us to know spiritual reality, but not through logic and science? Is that what you are trying to say? What kind of epistemology are you referring to?

AMY G
Your leap of faith is always based on a judgement you must make. Like, which faith? Why this and not that? Who is devinely inspired? This prophet instead of that one? How do you know which faith to leap into? Don't you choose with your reason first and then jump?

prophet of restitution
Any cult boils down to a leader who claims he inspired by God and a bunch of followers who believe everything he says.

When millions of people subscribe to the same cult, you have a religion.

JOHN
It might as well be called by its true name: LIE

Lost in space
So, are there two realities (subjective knowledge) or one reality, objective, identical for everyone?

Does your statement mean, therefore, that there is ONE reality that is real? Imagination is by definition not real.

That makes perfect sense to me. Plato and Kant would disagree. They believed that if we imagine something, it must exist in some part of the universe.

wefmeister
You speak like you KNOW what you are talking about. If a spiritual reality is revealed to you, you are definitely a good candidate for following a cult, as I have previously defined it.

Christ's witch
I was afraid this would happen. I find already too much a contradiction to think that there might be TWO realities. Now you come up with an infinite number of them, that's really a problem to sort out. Does that mean each human being lives according to his own personal physical, chemical, and biological laws?

arily666
If logic has any value, I would say that there is just one reality. If logic has no usefulness, then anything goes. Nothing needs proving or disproving without logic.

MB
Do you mean to say that meditation, not logical thinking, proves to us whether there is one or two realities? How did anybody come up with that idea?

I see that Buddhism and all the meditation techniques are now online, too. Presumably making money. It was about time. It makes logical sense for them too. If you discover that the mind can be pacified, that is a product of logic, too.

Answer 1

There are two realities. The first one is the universe around us. That is the reality that we can see, touch, smell, hear, and taste. We use our senses, logic, and the scientific method, to explain this universe and the life within it.

The other reality lies in the imagination of man. People imagine a father figure who made them and will take care of them even after death. This father figure is usually called god, and religion is the tool used to explain this imaginary world. Neither our senses nor logic, have any effect on this world. The scientific method does not work on something that is not real.

Answer 2

Maybe there is a way to test it there are two realities, but as of yet we have found no way of going about doing that.

It seems the only way to really know is to die.

Answer 3

I know it can not be directly proved or disproved but nearly all the indirect evidence suggests it to be delusional at best . Unless they revamp the concept of the supernatural it hasn't
a chance for the honest free thinker with the knowledge available these days . logical thinking requires the addition of new information and most of the people you mention even ignored information that they had to their avail at the time .
this suggest ulterior motives .

Answer 4

Jesus Christ was raised from the dead, thus validating all His assertions.

I myself through the Holy Spirit of God have tasted what the Bible refers to as "the powers of the Age to come" (Hebrews 6:5)

The knowledge of spiritual realities comes only through revelation. They are spiritual and must be disclosed by the Spirit:

"In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again."

"How can a man be born when he is old?" Nicodemus asked. "Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb to be born!"

Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, 'You must be born again.' "

John 3:3-7

Answer 5

Your epistemological presuppositions will limit what you'll accept as valid verification of this category you refer to as "permanent and spiritual." By implying that you'll only accept as evidence of spiritual reality what can be known of the physical reality, you limit how much can be known of the spiritual reality. Why not come to know it on its own terms instead of your own?

Answer 6

Method is called objective thinking. Beliefs, religions and such are subjective. There are very few things you objectively know, but that might be a start to collect pieces to a bigger puzzle.

Answer 7

Some have claimed there is a way to know without dying. Read the Patanjali Sutras, it explains the process step by step.

Answer 8

for as many people as there are in the world that is the number of realities you can find so "NO" there are ore then 2

Answer 9

You have to make that leap of faith and embrace the concepts that can't be proven with tangible means. There is no "logic" involved in a leap of faith.

Answer 10

For a christian there is only 1. Because the true called by God firstfruit christian is as Paul stated dead to the world,but alive untoChrist.