Jesus the Son of God had a beginning, was created. Am I correct based on the scriptures?

Question

Rev 3:14 “And to the angel of the congregation in La·o·di·ce´a write: These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God,

Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All [other] things have been created through him and for him.

John 1:18 No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is in the bosom [position] with the Father is the one that has explained him.

Answer 1

Proverbs 8:22-30 one of my favorite scriptures is very descriptive about Jesus' creation and his work beside Jehovah God.

Answer 2

14 “And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write,
‘These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God:"

Look at Revelation 1:5 "And from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and wasshed us from our sins in His own blood,"

When Jesus is talking to the 7 churchs you will notice that at the begining of each message there is something in there about from chapter 1, where John is explaining to us what Christ looks like.

How about Revelation 1:11 Jesus says, "I am the Alpah and the Omega, the First and the Last,"...

Colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.

If Jesus, God the Son, wasn't in the begining, how could He have created all things?

Jesus is also called the Second Adam. The reason for this is because He was created perfect as Man. Only Jesus is without sin. Human can not get to God, so God had to come to man.
In John 11:25 Jesus says, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live."
John 14:6 Jesus says, "I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father except through Me."

This is what my Bible reads for this verse;
John 1:18 "18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him."
In other words, no human has seen God the Father. But God the Son who was with God the Father in the begining has seen Him. God the Son was with God the Father. John 1:1 "In the begining was the Word, and that Word was with God, and the Word was God." The Word is Jesus.

God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, Three in One. Genesis 1:26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image..." You see that? "Let Us", but never refered to as seperate.

I hope this helps.

Answer 3

As Suspendor says above, according to John 1 Jesus is the Word, the Logos, and in the beginning there was the Word. Philosophically, the Word is God's action and so Jesus is the manifestation of God in time. As opposed to Sophia (wisdom) or Holy Spirit, both of which are also eternal.

But Jesus himself was created, yes. In Hebrews it says he was made a little lower than the angels (which, according to Hebrews itself, means human and Jewish ) and then elevated. This is because the Logos is disembodied, so to speak, where jesus was an actual guy who had to learn to tie up his sandals, feed himself, to not be racist against Samaritans, and so on.

Note - when viewed like this and in conjunction with the fact that the resurrected Jesus is said in the Gospels to have been ethereal and not to look like the same person it could very well be that the body of Jesus stayed dead as a doornail but the Word appeared to them just the same, even if only in a shared vision. But this would have made no sense to other Jews given the lack of spirit/body duality and so it may have been necessary to describe it as a bodily resurrection.

Huh, I've never thought about that before, but I hope you find it interesting as well...

Answer 4

No, you are not correct. Jesus is the "beginning and end" (Rev 1:8). Jesus is "the firstborn". These are a title and a position - not a statement that He was created.

Psalms 89:27 I will also appoint him my firstborn, the highest of the kings of the earth.

Jesus is God.
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

God has always been and none has been formed before or after.
Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Answer 5

Language is figurative and symbolic. It tries to describe and explain emotions, thoughts, places etc. Yes Jesus was "Created" in a sense but he was not because he already existed within the father. Created and begotten are probably the best words to explain and describe it. Holy traditions says that Father is the source and origin, the son is the intellect of the father (his word) and the holy spirit is the love between the father and the son who is himself a person.

We are trying to explain something only a mystic and tell through EXPERIENCE. One god, three persons/personalities but same divinity. it is a union of god within himself and Jesus is part of that union.

Answer 6

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. John 1:1

Answer 7

No. God is what is commonly known as the "Trinity". This does not mean there are three gods, but three persons in one God.

St. Patrick used the shamrock to try and explain it. ("Three leaves, but only one plant")

Jesus is the second part, also known as God the son. The other tow are called God the Father (Iehova, or Jehova) and God the Holy Spirit.

Answer 8

Almost, but not quite.


God the Son was begotten, not created. His encarnation, Jesus son of Mary was created by God the Son entering Mary's womb and become human there.

The Revelation scripture is not referring to Jesus.

The Collosians scripture says he was "firstborn". This means God the Son was begotten, not made like all the subsequent creation.

John is clear: Only-begotten. The rest of us were made, not begotten.

Answer 9

Yes

Answer 10

Correct.