ATHEISTS: You say you don't believe in objective morals, but....come on, admit it, you think God did some...

Question

...screwed up things, don't you?
How can this be? How does this make any sense? How can you say what is good or evil if you have no basis for morality other than your own selfish will?

Answer 1

No, I don't think God did anything.I don't believe in God.I think the literature describing the Abrahamic God makes him sound like a complete jerk.But that doesn't mean I believe that he is real.For me, the Bible is just a collection of stories that form a rather long and boring piece of fiction mixed with small bits of fragmented and bias non fiction.

Humanity created the concept of morality.I don't know how many times I have said this.Believers attributed everything to God.They don't give mankind any credit.Which only proves that their knowledge of world history is tainted by religion.

Answer 2

You really have some incredible misconceptions, don't you? First of all, I would never say that God did some screwed up things. I would, however, say that the stories in the Bible about God include some very screwed up things, mostly in "punishments" of large groups of people, even children, for some minor infraction of the rules. Or even just because they were the Hebrew's enemy. But I don't believe these stories are true, so I am at a loss to understand why someone would consider them true and then talk about a loving and forgiving God.

But it is not true that I have no basis for morality than my own selfish will. I have reason, analysis, facts, basic humanitarian principles, all sorts of things that get factored into my moral decisions. But it is about MY moral decisions. I do not claim to tell you what you should do, because I don't know enough about the facts of your decision process, or what values are important to you, or anything that would go into moral decision-making. If you came to me for advice, I would ask you about the specifics of the decision you needed to make, and offer you my analysis of the situation, but it would still be your decision to make.

Answer 3

Actually, we DO believe in objective moral standards... it's on that very standard that we reject Jehovah/Yahveh as being God, because the true God would not behave in such an immoral fashion. In order to decide whether a particular deity is or is not God, one MUST be able to evaluate that deity morally; otherwise, you might end up worshiping the Devil by mistake (which is just what has occured in the case of Jews, Christians, and Muslims! - they refuse to put their God to the test, so no wonder they got it wrong!)

Answer 4

I do not think any deity exists, much less did anything. The deity suggested in the Abrahamic myth is cruel and arbitrary by any standard.

What I might think is the basis of morality is different, but I certainly do not think one can understand morality through rules. Prescribed morality is no morality, thus, anyone living by rules from a book is not moral at all.

Answer 5

Morals are based on socilaization and on the survival of the species. Instinct, if you will, combined with years of tradition and philosophy.

God clearly has no interest in the survival of our species. By any human terms he would be considered immoral if not outright ammoral based on the Bible. But then the magic of that is, you can say, "He's omnipotent! He can decide what's moral or not!" But without proof, that assertion is simply an unfounded opinion worth less than the space it's written in.

Have a nice day.

Answer 6

definite, I do. i imagine a lot of our morals relies upon on subculture and society and would variety, yet i trust that there are also issues that are objectively top or incorrect. i trust that morals come from ourselves and in basic terms humanity can settle on top from incorrect. We do variety in our questioning searching on how we were raised, yet there are some issues that in basic terms about all of us have in problem-free (except for some with some extreme psychological issues), I mean human beings in all cultures agree that they don't opt for to be damage and they ought to get alongside with human beings indirectly. i do not trust that there is a higher skill that units the rules, yet we ought to set the rules for ourselves so as that we ward off suffering for ourselves and others. And that is an purpose truth that folk wade through at the same time as they are tortured and that maximum individuals opt for to stay and do not opt for to be killed. that is likewise a undeniable truth that a society won't be able to live to inform the tale if it turns into well-known that folk kill one yet another, in the adventure that they deceive one yet another each and every of the time, always thieve from one yet another and by no skill help one yet another. So I also imagine that morals come from evolution, some morals are in basic terms mandatory for survival. There are some trouble-free moral ideas that each and every individual cultures have in problem-free, e.g. all of them have a idea that homicide isn't allowed (regardless of if the definitions of what's homicide variety).

Answer 7

All ethics are relative.

I do not think that 'God did some screwed up things'. God is an imaginary thing. I think it no more than I think that Harry Potter did 'some screwed up things'.

The fictional books of the bible, that many of your ilk claim to be the absolute truth, describe god as doing 'some screwed up things'. Things that, to me, are about as close to evil as you can get.

But seeing as it is just a story, a myth to justify the genocidal and murderous acts performed by a particularly vicious bronze age tribe, who cares.

Meanwhile I create my ethics from my experience, from my society and from by internal thought.

Genocide, child rape and the murder of babies, to me falls on the side of behavior that should be prohibited. I guess you consider these things O.K.

Answer 8

If the God of the Bible actually existed, then he would have done some pretty screwed up things according to the Bible. Thank goodness that God does not exist.

Did you just discount your own proclaimed source of morality?

Answer 9

I have a sense of morals because I had good parents.

I was also taught responsibility, kindness, love, and the need to give back to your community.

I've learned about close mindedness & "selfish will" from people like you....who "think" you're a Christian.

A "true"Christian would not ask this question.

Answer 10

It's not objective, but rather collective relativism. Society functions better if certain guidelines (for example: don't kill, don't steal, don't lie, don't cheat) are followed. These fall under the "Don't do to others what you wouldn't want done to you in similar circumstances" guideline. However, there are moments when each of these guidelines can be broken ethically.

By the way, the "God did it" examples of poor morals are merely a thought experiment. We really don't believe in God, but there are lots of unethical actions attributed to him.

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