The more parsimonious explanation is that the universe always existed, rather than positing a God who always existed and then created the universe.
2007-10-17 06:06:53
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answer #1
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answered by Doc Occam 7
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I too have asked similar questions on here, for it is the one thing that really eats at me. We can explain everything with theory, from the big bang to the existence of life through evolution, BUT, what caused the BB? what was b4 the BB? what is the universe expanding into?
all these question surrounding the FIRST CAUSE theory are unexplained, but as an Atheist, I look at it through the eyes of reason and logic, so just because we do not know the answers, it doesn't mean "God did it"!
I believe in evolution, I believe that religion is wrong, but when you look at the problem of the first cause and the questions that can not be answered, you have to draw up a list of possibilities. The philosophical possibilities are endless, but as a reasonable philosopher of whom has no facts, the theory of the first cause being an omnipotent being, has to be one of the possibilities. Most Atheists would not admit this, but I don't say that the cause could be God; I said an omnipotent being, for I believe the biblical God to be nothing but fiction born from the idea of an omnipotent being.
it is just one of the possibilities, we have no way of knowing and probably will not get anyway near, for a long, long time, thus it is all conjecture, there is no right and no wrong, all we have is theory and our own philosophy.
all I know for a fact , is that religion is the word of man, not a god, thus the religious organisations of the world are all born of a lie, once the population realise this, maybe we might just get closer to the real truth behind the beginning of the universe.
I do not personally believe in the possibility of the first cause omnipotent being, but I do realise that it has to be given a place as a possibility. until we know for sure.
2007-10-17 13:33:55
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answer #2
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answered by Anonymous
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Lets call this pea sized object : "god" . Now either this "god" either always existed or existed spontaneously at some point in time .
Now either that "god" had intelligence of some level or another , or was devoid of intelligence . So either this "god" created the universe(s) we have , or it evolved into the universe we know .
Now if this "god" created the universe , it had limited power and or intelligence because it did a pretty bad job . He created a universe where his ( Earth) people and animals suffer and die from things like hurricanes , disease , and even other people who lack the correct skills to live in society . Also his animal creatures are eaten by both the humans and other animal creatures . Also according to most religions they are totured and tempted to evil by a creature(s) "god" created called a devil or Satan . And of course he created man with intelligence so limited that they can't agree on moral codes , religions , etc. And even after all this time we can't figure out how to travel 20 light years let alone the 1,000 billion light years to the edge of this universe .
The alternative is that this "god" had no intelligence . That it was simply matter which "exploded" and the resulting chemical combinations in a certain part(s) of the universe gave life to a diversity of life forms which currently have relatively low intellegence compared to the task of understanding the complexity or this unviverse ( and most likely other ones out there ) . Over Billions of years these creatures developed from a single simple cell to the more complex creatures we see today including man and will continue to evolve as medicine and science advances .
The problem of course is where did that "god" come from ? ( is there such thing as spontaneous appearance of matter / enegy ? ) And did this matter have intelligence ? ( As we see it could not have had High Intelligence AND a high level of caring for Earth's creatures .)
Is it better to try and live in harmony based on logic while putting aside our search for the purpose of our creation until we have more scientific information , or is it better to listen to people who have been declared Mystical prophets or gods and follow their (often conflicting) beliefs ?
I say lets live in harmony and put the Bible and Qou'ran , etc. on the shelf for a few hundred years or so .
2007-10-17 13:36:08
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answered by allure45connie 4
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The Big Bang is not a religion or a fact. It is a theory, for which there is evidence.
The evidence includes the FACT that the universe is expanding, continuously, outward. There is also the FACT of cosmic background radiation, predicted prior to being found, that is residual energy from the Big Bang.
The universe is unlikely to collapse inward to "something the size of a pea". Likely, it will simply dissolve into nothing.
The universe did not explode out of "something the size of a peal" That's not exactly what the Big Bang theory states. Perhaps you could read a bit about it so that you'll know just what it is that you are trying ridicule.
2007-10-17 13:21:59
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answered by Deirdre H 7
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Waite a minute. What made the bang? What caused that pea to explode? Something like this can't just happen, can it?
No, If you want to call God's Word a lie, you need to come up with something less idiotic than that. Get away from creation, and try a salvation by works doctrine or something like that.
2007-10-17 13:16:20
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answered by Caveman 5
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A pea? Where did that notion spring from?
It was a lot smaller than that when much of the interesting stuff happened.
Why don't you go to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphical_timeline_of_the_Big_Bang
...scroll down to the bottom, which is at a point 1e-43 seconds after the actual Bang, and read upward.
It'll help, I think.
To begin with, consider what might happen if a point of infinite density is so small that quantum effects allow it to tunnel outside of the event horizon that would normally screen it off.
CD
2007-10-17 13:15:35
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answered by Super Atheist 7
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If the universe will one day collapse back into its pea shell and then start back up again, we'll all die and there won't even be fossils to mark that we were here. So what's the point of trying to make a mark? And what's the point of going to work? Why aren't we all out there just getting in on, all the time?
2007-10-17 13:11:32
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answer #7
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answered by Juniper McClintock 4
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Everyone wants to ask where did God come from, but you never hear anyone ask your question...
"Where did the pea come from? Just out of thin air?"
It's funny how people will believe that big bang story but question so many things about God.
You have a very good question.....but no, I don't think anyone can come up with something better because this has been accepted by too many people unfortunately.
2007-10-17 13:14:07
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answered by Anonymous
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One day will fit back into that pea? Ah! No it will not. Watched a recent program on the History Channel where some predict that the universe will continue to expand up to the point of causing something called the Big Rip.
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/big_rip_030306.html
2007-10-17 13:07:26
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answered by Imagine No Religion 6
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What you refer to as a "pea" is called a singularity. It's a "clump" of energy that exists in a non-spatiotemporal "point." (Without spacetime the only place to be is a point.)
You're assuming the singularity needed to come from somewhere. The first law of thermodynamics states that energy cannot be created or destroyed. Therefore, the energy in the singularity was neither created nor destroyed, but simply existed as energy in a non-empty universe. It didn't come from anywhere.
2007-10-17 13:10:53
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answer #10
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answered by Anonymous
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Um... your holy text is a lie no matter which science you attack.
We don't really know that much about the "big bang", or if the universe will return to a pea-sized mass. Also, most Christians believe that the universe came from a pea-sized mass... sooo... what's your deal?
2007-10-17 13:07:23
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answer #11
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answered by Anonymous
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