Christians: how do you feel about other christians using lies about science in religious discussions?

Question

I've just read an answer claiming - again - that abiogenesis is a statistical impossibility - that means some people (mostly christians - I've never seen a buddhist, pagan or wiccan do it) misunderstand science, repeat information which is decades or centuries out of date or just completely made up, and routinely ignore everybody who points it out to them.

Yet it's very rare that other christians call them out. Is it that christians really know less about science? Does the end justify the means?

Oh, and about the probability of abiogenesis: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/

(but of course you have to have some scientific background to absorb all of it)

Answer 1

I'm a Christian, and I believe in theistic evolution. I also have a BS in molecular biology. There is too much scientific evidence out there pointing to a biological explanation to the creation of life. We are all biological in nature, obviously. So, why would God not use biology to create us? Physics, chemistry and mathematics play their roles too. If God is the creator of everything, then why would He be ignorant of this? That is illogical. The Christians, in my opinion, you are referring to are those that take the Bible as being a literal representation of God's word. The truth is that those who wrote the Bible could not have comprehended the science behind our creation. Thus, the need for metaphors. Did God create Adam from the dust? Or is this a more simple way of meaning the elements of life? Many Christians are ignorant of science. However, there are many good Christians who are also good scientists. One book I recommend is by Francis Collins (head of the human genome project). The title is The Language of God. I am always looking for insight into the creation of life. Thank you for posting the link. I'm definitely going to read it.

Answer 2

If a lie is repeated often enough , it will become the truth.

Today there are very few Christians who still believe in the Geocentric theory – the Earth is the Centre of the universe. It took the Christian mainstream hundreds of years to catch up back then , and I don’t foresee any change. It has been 150 years since Darwin and there is still great opposition to Evolution.

Of the many Christians I have spoken to most have a hard time explaining Evolution and very few use the term ‘ Natural Selection ‘ in their explanation. Yet they all seem to know about planetary orbits and gravity.

I know it can be frustrating when in dialogue with some fundamentalist Christians. Just be patient , only another 150 before evolution is accepted , then another 200 years before abiogenesis is accepted.

With regards the abiogenesis , it is surprisingly similar to the Biblical account – God Breathed into Dirt to create mankind.

Answer 3

Had to start somewhere...so nothing started into something, and the CHANCE occurred. I'm glad that the statistic may be changed, but if you look closely at your website, you'll notice the stats don't define WHERE the life or "primordial protoplasmic globule" came from. He doesn't define the act of it coming together.
If you'll notice, becuase I believe this is in response to my answer earlier, I spoke of actual reproduction of the "primordial protoplasmic globule", not the creation itself. Thank you though, for reinforcing my own aruguement. Talk origins may have a good view of things, they first have no clue whethere there was the population of china on the sands of the beaches to be able to reproduce this combonation. It's great that he reached the HHHH in the first try, but the chances of him doing that is yet another statistic that must be over come for the "primordial protoplasmic globule" to occur. "In fact there would be billions of simultaneous trials as the billions of building block molecules interacted in the oceans, or on the thousands of kilometers of shorelines that could provide catalytic surfaces or templates." He provides only theories for the theories! It's not an "in fact" because he has no fact to prove it on. Why is it that the universe started from a SINGLE point supposedly, but life itself was billions and billions? Because it is much more convienient for life to occur if scientists give themselves more to work with. Scientists tend to twist the facts a little to help themselves, and don't say it's fact...it a THEORY and therefore it could be true and the fact that they are a scientist give them enough reputation for people to listen to it.

Keep putting your head in the sand, you work better there.

Answer 4

I would hope that I'm not in the minority but I feel that I am. My people Christians and non-Christians alike feel that the Bible says the Earth is somewhere around 10,000 years old. Well, know that is not the case. A first century Rabbi found out with codes buried within the Bible that the universe is about 15.4 billion years old. Very close to the number many scientists came up with. I believe that God is the ultimate scientist. Things have to check out. I see no problem between Darwin and Creationism.

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Kinda sounds like man arising from the primordial soup to me!

Answer 5

No, I do not agree. I've attempted to do the matters which Christians do to converse with God, and not anything occurs. Besides, the vigour of prayer is not intended to be all that quality. As in, many times god does not reply, or does not do as you needed. In the analogy it might be like: -how do I get to London? -by way of aircraft! -good, I attempted! however the airplane simply made a few circles and landed at the identical spot -oh, sure, that occurs many times. London is not constantly to be had. -so how do we all know whilst we will get to London and once we can not? -idk, London's methods are mysterious... does that make feel? edit: now you are complicated me. I consider I am attempting to give an explanation for that I could now not act just like the atheist to your tale acts. I imply of path there's a few of that happening, however now not deliberately. I would get into the airplane now not relatively believing it could move anyplace. And of path the difficulty with faith is if you do not relatively suppose it not anything occurs. So it is extra of a notion-powered aircraft. Anyway... I consider I'm lacking your factor. edit2: ah adequate. Now it makes extra feel. Yes. People are worrying matters from each and every different which the opposite one does not uncover fundamental or can not potentially furnish, is that nearer?

Answer 6

I'm not a Christian, but I sure get tired of them spewing fairy tales.

^^^ There's another irrational little darling at the top who doesn't believe in change over time or survival of the fittest. She types awfully well for a sperm. It's so sad how little this group of people has matured in nearly a hundred years.


"Tell a devout Christian ... that frozen yogurt can make a man invisible, and he is likely to require as much evidence as anyone else, and to be persuaded only to the extent that you give it. Tell him that the book he keeps by his bed was written by an invisible deity who will punish him with fire for eternity if he fails to accept its every incredible claim about the universe, and he seems to require no evidence whatsoever."

Answer 7

I call them out on this all the time.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills or something when I hear other Christians use fake science or completely reject science. In my opinion, science and religion should have no bearing on one another.

Do I think abiogenesis is possible? Yes. Do I think it's probable? No.

Answer 8

well,people have their own beliefs,and if u are a religious follower u will not believe in science
yet if u r a person who believes in science then u will be against all religious accusations
it doesn't mean if u r a christian u don't know anything about science just that u choose to follow a religion

Answer 9

IF you can claim you know and understand all the nuances of the Universe. IF you can claim you understand how every force functions and the Universe operates...then you can not only say there is no God..You can claim to be God.
Atheists do not have an exclusive right to science, anymore than one religion has the right to claim God. All people have the freedom to strive to find knowledge.

Answer 10

I agree--I haven't heard about what you're talking about exactly, but the thing where we use the flying fish and show a fish with wings....or the spider monkey...and show a picture of a monkey with eight legs to make fun of evolution.

There is TONS of concrete, real evidence that shows that it's bogus (the lack of evidence *cough cough* fossils *cough* also speaks volumes).....so I would hope that we as Chrisitans use these not to smash somebody over the head with, but to get them thinking and then turn the conversation to their sin and their need to be forgiven.