I dont know if its happening everywhere, but I know in my area its uprising. Why is that, muslims/atheist/etc think they have the right to ban CHRISTmas and instead implement Holiday or Season Greetings. Though I dont totally argree with the freedom of religion, but sure, they can have their religious freedom, but let Christians have their freedom as well. Because 1 or 2 non-christian students decide they dont want to pledge to the flag because the pledge says "under God," they seem to believe its right to try and ban it? I dont understand, but that cannot happen right?
2007-10-17 03:44:24 · 28 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Im sorry, I completely vented instead of asking. My question is, as much as they feel they can be protected by the law, so can Christians right?
2007-10-17 03:45:43 · update #1
But thats the thing, nobody is forced into celebrating christmas or into pledging and using Gods name. But many atheists and muslims in certain states are taking it to court to ban such things. I know Christ's birth isnt for sure, because its not stated in the Bible and no Christmas is not Biblical and christians should celebrate Christ everyday not just during Christmas, but when a christian has a good excuse to hang CHRISTmas signs around their houses or in the class rooms, I dont think that should be affected by whether a certain someone likes it or not.
2007-10-17 04:00:53 · update #2
From the look of it. No. Look at this site, and watch how many make fun, insult and attack Christians and how many of those insults get deleted. and this is just on this site.
I read a member who asked about using the Bible as toilet paper! the question was not deleted
another, had an aviator of boy peeing on the Cross. It also was not deleted.
and many more. Double talk when they say people should have freedom of religion! they mean them only, not everyone. And, part of their freedom is mocking others.
At work you are not allowed to say Merry Christmas that is not PC. You have to say Happy Holiday. and don't dare to give cards that had a Christmas tree, or anything such as Merry Christmas. that is a no no.
I am Christian, but you have to know that Muslims are not and don't want to ban Christians from celebrating. You are mistaken on this one. sorry.
1)Last year in Spain, some school decided on not celebrating Christmas at schools so they don't offend the Muslims. The Muslims came out and they disagree, and told them that it was not offending them.
2)In the UK, the Muslims along with Christians came out protesting how the UK is changing Christmas so they don't offend the Muslims. The Muslims there as well, came out with the Christians and said they were not offended.
3)In Seattle a Rabi protested why there were Christmas trees in the Airport. That same day, every single tree were taken down. All of them. The Synogan came out. Apologized on the behalf of that one Rabi, and all trees went back up again.
Thank you.
2007-10-17 03:52:04 · answer #1 · answered by Soleil 4 · 9⤊ 5⤋
Honey, if Jesus is in your heart, do you have to have his image all over the public marketplace, in nativity scenes and such?
If Christmas (Christ's MASS) is a holy remembrance of Jesus' birth, why all the public display of trees and decorations and Santa, and carols being played over shopping mall sound systems for en entire month?
That's just about money. That's just about MONEY, about getting you to spend.
If I were a Christian, I'd REALLY object to that.
As it is, I'm not Christian, I'm Pagan, and more amused than anything that y'all have so eagerly embraced the Pagan elements of the season.
As for classrooms, Well, how about we reword what you've written:
"when a Hindu has a good excuse to hang Krishna Janmashthami signs around their houses or in the class rooms, I dont think that should be affected by whether a certain someone likes it or not."
"Telling a non-Christian that she's going to "burn in hell" is like calling offsides on the *spectators* at a football game"
2007-10-18 03:06:05 · answer #2 · answered by Raven's Voice 5 · 1⤊ 1⤋
Actually, I am a little peeved that Christmas is becoming more of a "seasons greetings" thing instead of CHRISTmas. And I wouldn't say it was "stolen" from the pagans (although I am seriously considering commemorating Saturnalia this year--no, I'm not kidding) Trends and beliefs don't get "stolen" from previous trends; they are evolutionary adaptations of previous trends that arise from a myriad of complex reasons. Christmas at a certain time in history (very recently in fact--like, the 18th century) just took over as the winter celebration-thing because most people in the western world were Christian (it had been commemorated quite quietly at one time--and other times like a wild mardi gras). But really, it is everyone's individual choice to participate in the holiday. Nowadays, people are sensitive about diversity; this is not a bad thing but it limits how much one group can publically impose their customs and standards on other.
Christmas can be treated as a holy day or something else. You can participate in the commercial media orgy or not. You can go about it in a private way and tune out the public controversy about what to call things and whether or not a creche can be displayed publically or not. Ultimately, it's not about the public; it's about you and your inner spiritual life in regard to what the day means to you. The world is always going to be a stupid, convoluted, antagonistic place, and Christmas IS commercial and has been coopted. That's a fact. Take it back by making it your own in a personal way and don't aggravate yourself about how the rest of the world is spinning things..
Blessed CHRISTmas to you.
2007-10-17 04:24:40 · answer #3 · answered by philosophyangel 7 · 2⤊ 3⤋
Popular rule is that everyone can complain except Christians, because Christians are the majority in this nation and the majority is always the evil ones.
Christmas has been under attack since it began. Christmas trees and all the other pagan symbols included over the years went relatively accepted. Its only since other religions began to subtract from Christmas instead of add to it that it became a national problem.
If people do not want to acknowledge God, that is their right in this nation, but pledging to the flag and sovereignty of this nation is not negotiable. Simply stay silent when you reach "under God" in the pledge, but you will pledge, or you do not need to be a citizen.
2007-10-17 04:00:32 · answer #4 · answered by iooioiioo 2 · 1⤊ 3⤋
What you're saying is true.
I think you'll notice this about other things than just Christmas. I think it is being allowed because the minority's rights are being "preserved" and protected. So, it would shock the socks off of a Muslim or Atheist or Jew if I wished him/her a Merry Christmas, because they don't celebrated Christmas. It is totally ridiculous. Nativity scenes on public land have to be removed, or supposedly equal space has to be given to other religions.
Now, what others have answered is also true, that Christmas was not originally associated with Christ, and that Jesus was not born in December. But that is SOOO not the point. The point is we don't have equal justice and equality among religions, we allow bullying from the minority b/c we have a guilt complex about past minority relations.
Buck the system, to every "Happy Holidays" reply with a Merry Christmas, or even a "Merry Christmas, remember He died for your sins!" and put up a nativity in your window or front lawn in you have one. These things may help or hurt the cause, but at least you're not caving.
2007-10-17 04:02:43 · answer #5 · answered by Christian in Kuwait 3 · 4⤊ 4⤋
It's not the pledge that we have a problem with, and we don't mind if someone *else* wants to say "under God" while they're saying the pledge if they wish to do that. ALL we're saying is that it shouldn't be taught that way, and nobody should be forced to say "under God." That's not too much to ask.
As for "Season's Greetings", or "Happy Holidays", it's only public, government forums that shouldn't be saying "Christmas" in particular. There are multiple religions that celebrate at that time of year, so "Season's Greetings", and "Happy Holidays" encompasses ALL of them, Christians included. Why would Christians have a problem with that? Why do they feel that they should be singled out with a greeting that is only for them? Is it so bad for THEM to allow everyone to be included in the well-wishes for the holiday season?
2007-10-17 04:05:33 · answer #6 · answered by Jess H 7 · 4⤊ 5⤋
Your god does not have to be involved in every facet of our lives. Why do my children need a pledge the includes your god? Maybe the pledge could be changed to be under Allah, or under Zeus. That chapped your *** didn't it. See what under god does to those of use who do not share your faith?
As for your rights to Christmas, keep calling it Christmas. No one is forcing you to refer to it as the Holiday Season. I celebrate that holiday as a time for my family. It's a time for me to make my kids smile. Do you really think giving gifts is a celebration of Christ? I don't recall any passages where Jesus said giving presents was a good way to honor him.
One other thing to consider. December 25 was originally a pagan holiday. Early Christians churches in Europe used it to help integrate people into Christianity with familiar celebrations.
2007-10-17 03:55:20 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 5⤊ 5⤋
no one is taking away Christian freedom.
Preferring "season's greetings" and the like is just making room for everyone; no one is "banning" Christmas (as a pagan, it's my holiday, too!)
no one is "banning" the pledge; peopel are just ommitting words that don't work for them. Why were those words there in the first place, if not for Christians seeking to impose their ways on the rest of us?
This sums up the situation perfectly:
2007-10-17 03:54:42 · answer #8 · answered by kent_shakespear 7 · 4⤊ 6⤋
Since giving my life to Christ I have come to believe we shouldn't be celebrating this once heathen festival turn birth of our SAVIOR celebration, courtesy of the catholic cult. The idea of celebrating the KING TRUTH'S birth with lies like elves and santi claus just doesn't jive with me anymore. The truth is the birth, death and Resurrection of our KING should be celebrated everyday through the concept of loving those who hate you and giving to those in need. Praise the LORD.
2007-10-17 04:00:29 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 4⤋
The early Christians stole Xmas from the Pagans. We call it Yule or the Winter Solstice.
2007-10-17 06:04:46 · answer #10 · answered by Bookworm 6 · 0⤊ 5⤋