Armenian genocide? Are you kidding me?

Question

Turkish genocide resolution? Are you kidding me? The completely ineffectual morons in congress are trying to politicize any damn thing they can. Are they going to pass a resolution that we -the Americans - committed genocide against the Native Americans when we stole this country from them? The Turkish people are our closest ally in the Islamic world and a member of NATO. For political standpoint we are going to ruin that relationship? While they are rearranging the deck chairs our beautiful ship of state is sinking.

Answer 1

Thank you Mal for putting it so articulately and eloquently;- There is so much evidence against the Armenian Genocide allegation that is suppressed from reputable NON TURKISH historians it's not funny I attach for your information some sources and material which categorically states that it was not a genocide and can not be compared to the Jewish Holocaust and I quote;-

Find out what Armenian Premier Senin Ovanes Kacaznuni said in 1923 Dashnak Party Conference in Bucharest-Romania, about Armenian treachery. Available from [e-mail] ISBN 975-343-438-3 or from TPK [e-mail]

You may peruse www.tallarmeniantale.com, by author Holdwater & http://www.eraren.org/bilgibankasi/en/index.htm The “Armenian Research” Foundation

Read on internet www.tallarmeniantale.com/c-f-dixon-BOOK.htm, written by a British officer in 1916 – the portrayal of Anatolian Armenian character

Examine Guenter Lewy's "The Armenian Massacres in Turkey, A Disputed Genocide" ISBN-13:978-0-87480-849-0 available on Amazon.com (Jewish author from USA)

Salahi Sonyel's "The Turco-Armenian Imbroglio" ISBN-0-9504886-6-6, available at Cyprus Turkish Association 0207 437 4940 [e-mail] (Cypriot Turk author)

films to watch are:
"The Armenian Revolt 1894-1920" documentary DVD by Third Coast Films, P.O. Box 664, Clarion, PA 16214, USA, [e-mail] (by an American Director) This is a MUST !!
&
"Sari Gelin' documentary DVD through www.sarigelinbelgeseli.com [e-mail] (maybe available on eBay) (by a Turkish Director)

have a look at www.armenians-1915.blogspot.com by Turkish Armenians (including free downloadable books and automatic translation of site text into several languages),

Read Prof. Turkkaya Ataov's WHAT HAPPENED TO OTTOMAN ARMENIANS?
ISBN 1=4243=1004-0 (obtainable from [e-mail]), (Turkish author)

"MYTH OF TERROR' by late Erich Feigl (1986)Zeitgeschichte/Bucherdienst Austria (Austrian Author) which contains the signatures of 63 foreign Academics refuting the Armenian claims

http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/terrorism-breakdown.htm
for Armenian terrorism against Turks.. why Armenians are not talking about their terrorists?

an interesting read (in 3 languages) of memoirs of a Russian Officer on Armenians at http://www.tsk.mil.tr/ermeni_sorunu/kitap.htm (click on the book for downloading) or access it and others at http://www.tsk.mil.tr/eng/ermeni_sorunu_salonu/armenianissues_index.htm (from Turkish Military archives reputed to be richest on this issue)

There are also several powerful books on this subject by the American author Justin McCarthy http://homepages.cae.wisc.edu/~dwilson/Armenia/mccarthy.html

Armenia Secrets of a "Christian" Terrorist State The Armenian Great Deception Series - Volume 1 Samuel A. Weems St John Press Dallas 2002
Armenian Claims and Realities Dr Husamettin Yildirim Sistem Ofset Publications Ankara 2001
Armenian Massacres in Van, Bitlis, Mus, and Kars Interview with Witnesses Prof Azmi Suslu, Dr Gulay Ogun & M Torehan Serdar Social and Strategical Research Foundation 2000

Death and Exile The Ethnic Cleansing of Ottoman Muslims 1821 - 1922 Professor Justin McCarthy The Darwin Press Inc Princeton New Jersey 1999

The Armenian Massacres in Ottoman Turkey a Disputed Genocide Guenter Lewy University of Utah Press Utah 2005

Further a letter written by a former Australian Ambassador to the Australian Newspaper back in 1994 and I quote;-

Mr. George Karagiannakis's letter (2/6/94), making all sorts of incredible allegations against Turkey in regard to its domestic and foreign policies, should not be allowed to go unanswered.

It is not possible in the space of a few lines to answer all of his allegations. However, in fairness to the truth, the following points must be made:

The 'facts beyond credible dispute' to which he alludes are in fact based largely on fictions to justify unrealistic ambitions or failures in the past to achieve totally unrealistic goals.

Whilst it is true and sad that many Armenians lost their lives in their own bid for territory, what is not recognized is that the Armenians themselves inflicted as much damage as others in the hostilities of that time, goaded on by some Western powers for their own selfish and geopolitical objectives.

The Turks had no deliberate policy of genocide at any stage, only the removal of Armenians from the front line with Russia, where they were collaborating with the Ottoman Empire's enemies and were thus a threat to its security.

The Kurdish issue is more complex. Two points are relevant:

The PKK, like IRA, is a terrorist organization, SUPPORTED MATERIALLY BY THE GREEKS AND ARMENIANS, with the stated objective of destabilizing Turkey. It has so far assassinated over 10,000 people in Turkey. It has no justifiable claim to represent the Kurdish people.

Most Kurds are integrated into Turkish society. About one-third of the Turkish Parliament is of Kurdish origin. This illustrates the absence of discrimination.


As for Cyprus, if any genocide or ethnic cleansing has taken place, this has always been carried out by the Greeks. The abortive coup of 1974, organized by EOKA and Greek colonels, aimed at elimination of the Turkish Cypriots from the Island. Turkey intervened to protect them and prevent Enosis. Since that date, the island has been peaceful and free of bloodshed.

Turkey has consistently supported a fair and reasonable settlement on Cyprus, but one that gives the Turkish Cypriots a secure future and equal political and social status with the Greek Cypriots.

The real problem between Greece and Turkey is Greece's reluctance to give up its Megali idea, that is, the recovery of the territories occupied by the Byzantine Empire, which finally fell to the Turks in 1453. All the many conflicts between Greece and Turkey over the past two centuries have been initiated by Greece. Your correspondent's reference to bloodied Turkish history is therefore clearly wrong, except in the fact that in the past three Greek-initiated conflicts, the Turks gave the Greeks a severe hiding, which partly accounts for the large fall in numbers of Greeks in present-day Turkey.

Regarding persecution. the Ottomans had one of the most tolerant policies towards non-Turks of any empire of its day. The three communities of Jews, Greeks and Armenians were virtually autonomous within the empire.

P. F. Peters

Former Australian Ambassador to Turkey
(The Australian, June 9th, 1994)

Answer 2

thank you for complimenting Turks as dogs. dogs are smart animals and don't hate rather anyone. dogs love human beings, and different animals too. although, in case you harm them, they could bite you. could you prefer to evaluate why Turks killed (no longer genocide) Armenians for the period of WW I? might desire to or no longer this is that those Ottoman citizen Armenians allied with the invading Russian military and killed 1000's of harmless Turkish women human beings and little ones? enable us to be trouble-free and attempt to comprehend what rather got here approximately in those years. How approximately looking into the expert archives of the era? The Turkish government of right this moment has opened the archives for Armenian academicians to benefit. Can the Armenian government do the comparable? What with regard to the records of cutting-edge events in Karabagh? Do you have any thought or awareness of what share Azerbaijani Turks have been killed and/or lost by potential of the Armenian military? enable us to attempt to comprehend and forgive. enable us to physique of innovations matters with out prejudice and bias. enable us to talk, no longer insult or blame. you notice, once you element one finger to blame the different, 3 of your arms element at you on the comparable time.

Answer 3

i think that some parliaments changes theirs opinions ,in USA!this is very important for TÜRKİYE and USA.
I hope ,we will solve this problem with in peace .
Everyone , in TÜRKİYE and USA must attempt hardly to solve this "absurd" problem.
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The Wall street Journal
Turkish 'Genocide' Bill Loses House Support
BY DAVİD ROGERS
16.10.2007
WASHINGTON -- Pressed by the White House and Turkish lobby, as many as 11 House members have withdrawn as co-sponsors of a resolution labeling the mass killings of Armenians under the Ottoman Empire a century ago as "genocide."
Seven members pulled their names from the measure Monday and four more as of Tuesday, leaving passage of the bill in doubt. The rapid erosion signals momentum has shifted in favor of Turkey and the Bush administration, which has urged the Democratic leadership to block a vote on the resolution, reported from the House Foreign Affairs Committee last week.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119256033095460820.html?mod=hpp_us_whats_news

edit Blunt:
I 'm not sure that 3 millions armenias are " russian friendly " because they want to be a member of EU and OTAN!

Answer 4

First of all, There was not a Country called Turkey at that time. It was an ottoman empire which was last 700 years. Many people lived under the empire within good conditions. They were happy. When war began Armenians take a part with Russian and be their spies in Turkey. They were against to Turks and killed many Turks too.I think Russia promised them their own land after the war therefore they did it to Turks. And Turks first started to fight with their enemies inside in their country. Turks accept people killed in both part. Turks were also killed too. It was a war and Turks killed their "inside" enemies first rather than other countries in the war. It was a war and it is what it spouse to be.






Would you fight against the other enemies when you have some in your country? Of course not. it is like "cleaning your door first". Many people killed and killed. But it was not all Armenians. It was their mistake when being against to country where they have lived. They are treacherous people. They made a big mistake and not accepting results? What would you do to your treacherous enemies? Would you help them after the war to deliver them somewhere else to live? Ottomans lost the war and they had their problems to solve rather that helping Armenians to leave the country in safe condition. Many historians says there were diseases and that’s why many people in both sides died after the war.








There were also other political movements against the Ottoman Empire. I feel sorry for both people but it was A WAR not a normal day. I dont understand how people call it genocide. it was WAR where someone won and someone lost. Turks give their web links Armenian give theirs. Do you think they are impartial websites. We should listen the historian people. The net has all kind of information and you can believe anything you read but there is only one true. Turks are not stupid to accept something that their grandfathers didn’t do. As many people say The Armenians have Russia to stand behind them and Turkish people have us (United States). for now. It is bigger than you think when you search Russia and US history .It is not only Armenia or Turkey. Russia used Armenians against to Ottomans and now uses Armenians against to US? Dont be stupid, This Armenians played o big role on decadence of Ottoman Empire. Be aware people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Answer 5

Pelosi will reap what Pelosi sowed.

Even if the resolution is dropped (or whatever legal term is used to express that), the Turkish public will remember what Pelosi tried to do. And they will make life hell for any Turkish government being friendly to a government that includes Pelosi.

Pelosi may take her grievances to the 3 million (Russian friendly) Armenians, if she likes.

Edit: Çetin, I copied this from the favorite source of trolls: wikipedia:

"Due to its position between two unfriendly neighbors, Armenia has close security ties with Russia. At the REQUEST of the Armenian government, Russia maintains a military base in the northwestern Armenian city of Gyumri as a deterrent against Turkey. Despite this, Armenia has also been looking toward Euro-Atlantic structures in recent years. It maintains good relations with the United States especially through its Armenian diaspora. According to the 2000 US census, there are 385,488 Armenians living in the country."

See? Armenia has Russian military base and plays the diaspora-vote card with USA. In my opinion, military base trumps all else.

Answer 6

Exactly. The whole situation is ridiculous and there are better things to take care if in the government other then a non-existent genocide.

Answer 7

ok thank u. i ll read again but thank u

i wonder have they seen ur answers? oh they, those ppl in that question
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=Aj_uJ3DzHDyWfFbqfBELLo8jzKIX;_ylv=3?qid=20071016182217AARVbtn

Answer 8

Pelosi is the queen of civil rights!
She represents a city of 10,000
gay Turkish men who were forced
out of Turkey several years ago
due to there sexual preferences..
Are you kidding me civil rights in
turkey Ha! Those gay Turkish men
are alliance that indeed recognize
Armenian Genocide. I wonder why?!
Don't worry will keep them here in
the US we don't discriminate. The only
ship that is sinking is the Turkey Titanic
your all drowning in your own webs of
jealousy and deceit. The US will not
throw you a life preserver not this time.