Why do muslims here like to make things up about islam? Can I request that you cite the Quran?

Question

Just because you are muslim and you believe something is islamic does not make it islamic. Something is islamic only if the Quran agrees with it or it is mentioned in the various sahih hadiths. Like there was a question about whether the first wife must agree to it if the husband were to marry another wife. If you believe that the first wife must agree, please show me where in the Quran or in the sahih hadiths that state that explicitly? In fact, in the Quran, it says that it is up to the husband to make that decision, on whether he can support more than 1 wife or not and not the wife.

scotgirl: At least from what I have read. If I'm wrong, I want to be shown where I'm wrong. Like, it says in verse blah blah that the wife must agree, etc and not just a statement saying, "In islam, the first wife must agree. Period." If such a statement cannot be backed up, then who are you to make such a statement?

I'm not talking about the religion of christianity. In some respects, the problems are similar. The adherents are usually unaware of what their scriptures actually say.

I have to clarify, I'm not a muslim and probably never will be.

Ms butterfly, again you are making things up.

bluesky, I'm not talking about polygamy in islam. I'm talking about consent when entering a polygamous relationship.

abdul a: Yes, the equally must be achieve, but that responsibility lies with the husband and not with the wives. So, there is no need to seek permission from the 1st wife at all. Get it?

Wahid: Yes I agree, but that social contract is between the husband and the wife. So all that is needed is for the husband to agree and the 2nd wife to agree. There is no need for the first wife to agree too, that is my point. The husband then bears the responsibility to treat both wives equally.

Again this question is not about whether or not the first wife must agree to a 2nd marriage of the husband or not. I just used this example to illustrate the point that many muslims in this forum blurts out stuff without thinking or citing source material that may be totally false.

Answer 1

The first wife must agree because she will kick your butt if she don't. It has nothing to do with the Quran.

Answer 2

Dear ali,
You have raised a very critical question. I am assuming that you know everything that Quran says about second or third or fourth marriage. So, I am not quoting any verse or number there of. However, You said, 'In the Quran, it says that it is up to the husband to make that decision'.
Dear ali, if you look into the Quran again, you will see that, Quran does not say that, second marriage is the unquestionable right of the husband. You are however correct in your arguement that, the Quran did not tell that first wife must agree for her husband's second marriage.
But, ali, you will agree that, marriage is not purely a personal matter. It is a social matter. For that reason, in the marriage, husband and wife both must agree and make a written contract and there must be witnesses for the contract. Religion's function is to make the human society civilized, cultured and more peaceful. Islam and the Quran emphasizes human to live in society. If there is a society there must be a leader(do you agree?). Now, I think you know that, the Quran made it obligatory to obey God, Prophet and the Leader.
You already know that, the Quran did not mention clearly who's right it is to take the decision about second marriage.
Marriage being a social contract between two persons, leader of the society(Government) has a right to intervene in this matter. Government can make order(law) whether in case of second marriage first wife's agreement is necessry or not. If any Government makes this order then, it is obligatory for people within that society. If any Government does not intervene then, husband can take the decision.
Dear ali, I am eager to know whether you are staisfied with the clarification or not. I pray for you, may God give you more knowledge and show the right way.

Answer 3

Peace to all,

In the Quran, yes it is true that the man has the decision to marry more than one wife ( up to 4). But, there is a clear requirement also stated in the Quran that the man has to treat both wives EQUALLY in order for it to be an ok marriage. but if the man is going to marry the second wife and spend a week with her while spending a day with his first wife, then that is a sin and is not allowed in Islam.

There is another verse in the Quran that states: you will never be fully equal between your wives even if you are very careful, but do your best to be so you don't leave the other wife like one with no husband...

basically in the end, the concept of equality between your wives is extremely important. if you don't try to treat them equally, then you are sinning and that's not part of the religeon of Islam.

email me if you have any questions.

Answer 4

study the scriptures (quran and ahadith) besides because of the fact the earliest sira (available from amazon). positioned all which you study and comprehend into one neat kit and then reread the lot in context, place and time. then it rather is beneficial to think again what you published. Muslims could be reliable and a few undesirable however the middle of the priority is mohammmed and his quran and what he claims and says interior the ahadith. Is it all the fact ? there is in uncomplicated terms one a probability bring about case you do as .reported above. end listening to what muslims inform you approximately islam. Islam isn't what scholars, mullahs, sheikhs, imams, youtube movies and information superhighway web sites or maybe different muslims inform you. it rather is what the scriptures say, instruct and ordain for and to muslims. John

Answer 5

Allah also say's that when you enter into a contract you must fufill those obligations prescribed.

So if a woman does not want to be a multiple wife, she can have her fiancee sign a contract stating that he will not take on a second wife while they remain married, and if he does then he must agree to divorce her because us women can divorce our husband if we fear cruelty or dessertion on his part.

The Holy Quran. Surah 2. verse 177. It is not righteousness That ye turn your faces Towards East or West; But it is righteousness- To believe in Allah And the Last Day, And the Angels, And the Book, And the Messengers; To spend of your substance, Out of love for Him, For your kin, For orphans, For the needy, For the wayfarer, For those who ask, And for the ransom of slaves; To be steadfast in prayer, And practise regular charity, To fulfil the CONTRACTS Which ye have made; And to be firm and patient, In pain (or suffering) And adversity, And throughout All periods of panic. Such are the people Of truth, the God-fearing.


I'm making things up??


All PRAISES are due to ALLAH my baby.
The Merciful God who looks out for his female servants:)

Answer 6

perhaps in some countries where people have been forced to convert or face severe consequences they have not read the koran or care to. This could be a cause of not knowing what it says.

of course not all muslims are converted in such a way

Answer 7

Firstly, Quran and Sahih Hadith are not the only sources of learning of Islam. These sources are 4:
1. Quran
2. Sunnah (tradition, sayings, doings of Prophet Muhammed peace be upon him, everything what he allowed, prohibited, ordered which we learn through hadith books)
3. Ijma (it is the union decision of islamic shcolars). Ijma can be accepted as an accurate if it is not in contradiction with above 2 sources of Islam.
4. Sense. It is also must not have any contradiction with 3 sources shown above.
Know, according to these verse:
“Marry women of your choice, two, or three, or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one.”
[Al-Qur’an 4:3] we can determine that if l'll marry without her permission it will be injust from my side against my wife. As you, see through logic and sense we can determine why it is so. This verse: “Ye are never able to be fair and just as between women....” [Al-Qur’an 4:129] shows that we can never be among them. That's why to be able not to de injustice with our wife we have to ask her permission. In Quran doesn't says that it's your wifes' have no right to interfere it. That's why we must ask their permission or otherwise it will be injustice which is prohibited by 4:3 verse, ordering to marry only one in fear of being injustice.

Answer 8

I think that you are right. Some muslims don't know anything about Islam and they just answer questions that they don't even know. Masha-allah, you are a good muslim. I've noticed that you answer these questions very nicely.

Answer 9

So are you saying that the Koran DOES impose upon a woman's rights, then, since her opinion about her marriage doesn't matter?

Answer 10

ohh sooo ummm where in the bible says doing drugs can go to hell when lost of christians out there believe that? and where in the bible says if you donate to church you go to heaven when lots of christians out there believe that?