Very different.
In the Second Vatican Council’s document on divine revelation, Dei Verbum (Latin: "The Word of God"), the relationship between Tradition and Scripture is explained: "Hence there exists a close connection and communication between sacred Tradition and sacred Scripture. For both of them, flowing from the same divine wellspring, in a certain way merge into a unity and tend toward the same end. For sacred Scripture is the word of God inasmuch as it is consigned to writing under the inspiration of the divine Spirit. To the successors of the apostles, sacred Tradition hands on in its full purity God’s word, which was entrusted to the apostles by Christ the Lord and the Holy Spirit.
"Thus, by the light of the Spirit of truth, these successors can in their preaching preserve this word of God faithfully, explain it, and make it more widely known. Consequently it is not from sacred Scripture alone that the Church draws her certainty about everything which has been revealed. Therefore both sacred Tradition and sacred Scripture are to be accepted and venerated with the same devotion and reverence."
"But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it, and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings which are able to instruct you for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus" (2 Tim. 3:14–15).
The Bible denies that it is sufficient as the complete rule of faith. Paul says that much Christian teaching is to be found in the tradition which is handed down by word of mouth (2 Tim. 2:2). He instructs us to "stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter" (2 Thess. 2:15).
"So faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes by the preaching of Christ" (Rom. 10:17). The Church would always be the living teacher. It is a mistake to limit "Christ’s word" to the written word only or to suggest that all his teachings were reduced to writing. The Bible nowhere supports either notion.
’But the word of the Lord abides for ever.’ That word is the good news which was preached to you" (1 Pet. 1:25). Note that the word has been "preached"—that is, communicated orally.
"[W]hat you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also" (2 Tim. 2:2). Here we see the first few links in the chain of apostolic tradition that has been passed down intact from the apostles to our own day. Paul instructed Timothy to pass on the oral teachings (traditions) that he had received from the apostle. He was to give these to men who would be able to teach others, thus perpetuating the chain. Paul gave this instruction not long before his death (2 Tim. 4:6–8), as a reminder to Timothy of how he should conduct his ministry.
He was not condemning all traditions. He condemned only those that made God’s word void. In this case, it was a matter of the Pharisees feigning the dedication of their goods to the Temple so they could avoid using them to support their aged parents. By doing this, they dodged the commandment to "Honor your father and your mother" (Ex. 20:12).
Elsewhere, Jesus instructed his followers to abide by traditions that are not contrary to God’s commandments. "The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat; so practice and observe whatever they tell you, but not what they do; for they preach, but do not practice" (Matt. 23:2–3).
CJ, I am going to add some extra Hail Mary's into my daily prayers, just for you
2007-10-16 11:47:45
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answered by SpiritRoaming 7
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You are so right.
Small "t" traditions may or may not be the "envelopes carrying the message" of the Oral Apostolic Tradition.
The Apostolic Tradition(he Paradosis) that gave us a crystallization of a portion of it in the New Testament is presented as authoritative as Scripture in the NT.
Check out 2 Thess 2:15 &3:6 and1 Cor11:2 as proof of this in St Paul's teaching of the Full Gospel
I find the "traditions of men",those customs and practices that contradict Jesus teachings,which Christ criticized among the all-but-me condemning legalists of His time most common in the Christian World among Fundamentalist Protestants,
including Jehovah's Witnesses( who though not Trinitarian Christians are Protestants since they claim to be going by the Bible alone,by faith alone and by Christ/Michael alone and they are derived from an apocalypiticist biblicist takeoff on":Reformed Protestant predjustices" and American Revivalist Protestant church culture.)
There is no proper interpretation of Scripture without the Apostolic Tradition as its lens and context and the Catholic Church as the inspired and authorized interpreter IMHO.
2007-10-16 18:55:20
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answered by James O 7
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Actually CJ, get your facts straight. Tradition is NOT more important than Scripture, it is COMPLEMENTARY to Scripture. As I've said to you before, the Bible didn't arrive by fax from God, and Jesus passed his teachings orally to His Apostles, who in turn passed it verbally on to their own students and disciples in Christ, LONG before any of it was written down. Paul's epistles were written 30-50 years after Jesus died, and the Gospels 50-100 years after He died.
Where was Scripture in that time? Oops, there wasn't any in the New Testament! Did Christianity disappear in between when Jesus died and the New Testament was written? You probably think so, but if you are able to open your eyes and do a bit of research, you will see that TRADITION CAME DIRECTLY FROM JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF, AND IS THE FIRST BASIS OF CHRISTIANITY AFTER HIS DEATH.
Guess what? The Catholics and Orthodox had it right all along.
2007-10-16 18:34:26
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answered by Christine S 3
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Pastor Billy says: Wow who is this CJ kid? what a job his parents / paranoid pastor has done to him. I think a exorcism is in order.
Spirito has pretty well summed up the answer.
2007-10-16 19:28:48
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answered by Pastor Billy 5
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Human traditions are of man, not of God. Follow the Bible; no more, no less.
2007-10-16 18:34:39
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answered by Pearly Gator 3
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Catholics are today's Pharisees, holding their "traditions" above Scripture, which Jesus of course hates being done.
And the Bible was given to us by Jews, and not by Romans. Catholics murdered people found owning a Bible.
The Jews gave us the Bible, and God is the Author of it.
2007-10-16 18:33:52
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answered by Chris 4
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fairly similar. people practicing something without reason or purpose. they do it because everyone did it before them and they had no idea why either. very common among all the apostate churches.
2007-10-16 18:35:28
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answered by plastik punk -Bottom Contributor 6
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