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search the Sciptures for in them (the Sciptures) you think you have eternal life but they (the Sciptures) are those which testify of Me(Jesus).

The LORD speaking: Zechariah 13:6 says and one will say to him, What are these wounds betweeen your arms?' Then he will answer, 'Those with which I was wounded in the house of my FRIENDS. (When were you pierced LORD)? Oh, when you came to earth to lay your life down for your friends!!

Jesus speaking John 15:13 says Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one's life for his friend. You are My FRIENDS................

Speaking of Jesus Revelation 1:7 says Behold He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Hims. And all the tribes of the earth will MOURN because of Him.

Zechariah 12:10 says then they will look upon Me whom they pierced. Yes they will MOURN for Him.

When where you pierced Jehovah? oh, when you came to earth and was crucified on the cross!!

MOURN FOR HIM OR THEM???

2007-10-16 05:19:31 · 9 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

Hear O Israel the Lord our God is One Lord.

There is only ONE God that was pierced and will be MOURNED for!!

2007-10-16 05:36:07 · update #1

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Jesus the Son was literally pierced on that "crux simplex", while Jehovah the Father was figuratively pained by seeing His Son's suffering.

Trinitarians who point to Zechariah 12:10 mistakenly pretend that this concept should confuse nontrinitarianism. But the concept of pain is not always literal pain.

Clearly, any parent would feel the pain of his child. When Christ Jesus the Son was cut, of course his Father Jehovah felt that pain. Trinitarians and non-Trinitarian Christians alike should well-understand this point, and note that "the Father" remained in heaven when "the Son" was impaled on earth.
...(Luke 23:46) Jesus called with a loud voice and said: "Father, into your hands I entrust my spirit." When he had said this, he expired.


Interestingly, bible prophesy shows that *EVEN MARY* the human mother of Jesus would feel this stabbing pain when the human Jesus was impaled:
...(Luke 2:34-35) [The prophet] Simeon blessed them [Joseph, Mary, and the infant Jesus], but said to Mary its mother: "Look! This one is laid for the fall and the rising again of many in Israel and for a sign to be talked against (yes, a long sword will be run through the soul of you yourself)


Regarding Zechariah 12:10, it is interesting that Rotherham, American Standard Version, Moffatt, An American Translation and Revised Standard Version all use "him" instead of "me" either in the main body of the text itself or in a footnote as an honest alternative. Whether 'the pierced one' is Jehovah or Jesus, there is a more logical translation.
...(Zechariah 12:10) And I [Jehovah] will pour out upon the house of David and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem the spirit of favor and entreaties, and they will certainly look to the One whom they pierced


Sadly, trinitarians choose to embrace counter-intuitive understandings of a handful of verses, while ignoring the plain truth embraced by the apostles and other early Christians: Jesus is the Son of Jehovah God. Jehovah's Witnesses believe that the Scriptures alone quite plainly demonstrate that Jesus and the Almighty are separate distinct persons, and the Almighty created Jesus as His firstborn son.

(Colossians 1:15) the firstborn of all creation

(Mark 10:18) Jesus said to him: 'Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God.

(Revelation 3:14) the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God

(Philippians 2:5-6) Christ Jesus, who, although he was existing in God's form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God

(John 8:42) Neither have I come of my own initiative at all, but that One sent me forth

(John 12:49) I have not spoken out of my own impulse, but the Father himself who sent me has given me a commandment as to what to tell and what to speak

(John 14:28) I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am

(1 Corinthians 15:28) But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him

(Matthew 20:23) this sitting down at my right hand and at my left is not mine to give, but it belongs to those for whom it has been prepared by my Father

(1 Corinthians 11:3) I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; ...in turn the head of the Christ is God

(John 20:17) I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.

(Deuteronomy 6:4) Jehovah our God is one Jehovah

(1 Corinthians 8:4-6) There is no God but one. For even though there are those who are called "gods," whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many "gods" and many "lords," there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him

Thanks again for an opportunity to share what the bible actually says about the distinct persons of Jesus Christ the Son and Jehovah God the Father!

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2007-10-16 06:50:19 · answer #1 · answered by achtung_heiss 7 · 1 0

Context is very important in understanding scripture.

Zech 13:7 makes it clear that it is Jehovah's Shepherd, that is pierced and not Jehovah himself.

6"And one will say to him, 'What are these wounds between your arms?' Then he will say, 'Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.'

7"Awake, O sword, against My Shepherd, . . .
Declares the LORD of hosts
"Strike the Shepherd that the sheep may be scattered;
And I will turn My hand against the little ones.

Why do trinitarians strive to take verses out of context?

Jehovah has said, touching Jesus is like touching his eyeball.

Zech 2:8 For this is what Jehovah of armies has said, ‘Following after [the] glory he has sent me to the nations that were despoiling YOU people; for he that is touching YOU is touching my eyeball.

footnote:“My eyeball” was the original reading. The Sopherim changed the text to read “his eyeball.”

Touching and stabbing Jesus is as if they were poking Jehovah in the eye.

Rev 1:7 is a prophecy concerning future events, things that happen in the Lord's Day.

Zech 12:10, to say 'me', and later 'him' is proof of Zech 2:8,

Touching 'him', Jehovah's Son is the same as doing it to Jehovah.

Matt 25:40 makes the same point concerning Jesus and his sheep.

You don't need to interprete, just read the context.

That is why 2 Cor 4:4 is so true today.


God can not die, thus Jesus can not be God.

(Habakkuk 1:12) 12 Are you not from long ago, O Jehovah? O my God, my Holy One, you do not die. O Jehovah, . . .

Footnote: “You do not die.” Heb., lo’ ta·muth′. This was the original reading, but the Sopherim changed it to read lo’ na·muth′, “we shall not die”;
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2007-10-16 20:07:19 · answer #2 · answered by TeeM 7 · 1 0

why do you think Jesus said

John 5:39

39) You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me,


Jesus said this because they the Pharisees thought that by keeping the laws and by reading and going to the synagogue and praying at certain times they would be saved.

Romans 10:9-10 says different.

9) That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10) For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.

2007-10-16 12:27:29 · answer #3 · answered by bmdt07 4 · 0 0

They will mourn for themselves and the fact they denied him for so long. I personally think that includes those who have passed away. I would like to say I think those who have passed away and are in the spirit form can also see what is happening in the earthly world as well, by some manner and as real as we can see what happened in history. They too are still growing and learning just as we are, who live in this time of mortality.

2007-10-16 12:38:28 · answer #4 · answered by saintrose 6 · 0 0

zech, is prophesy... when jesus later was
pierced in his side, to make sure he was dead.

john 15- when he gave his life ,in all of our places
and hung on the cross.

rev1-7 - jesus is coming back to rule this earth

Zec 12- do you mean him / me?
Again prophecy that has already come to pass.
Jesus was actually God in the flesh (body)
They did pierce him and they did mourn for him.
Its just the writers way of putting things.

2007-10-16 12:32:55 · answer #5 · answered by sioux † 6 · 0 0

LOOK AT THE GOOD SAMARITAN; LUKE 10:30-37. IN ADAM, MAN FELL AMONG THIEVES, WHO ROBBED US OF ALL RIGHTEOUSNESS, LEAVING US DEAD IN SIN.
NONE HAD COMPASSION NOR ABILITY TO HELP US IN THIS DEAD STATE, BUT GOD, HIMSELF, (33) "CAME WHERE HE WAS", AND HEALED OUR SIN THROUGH HIS "POURING IN OIL AND WINE", AND WHEN HE DEPARTED, HE TOOK OUT TWO PENCE, TO PROVIDE FOR OUR NEEDS, AND SAID IF MORE IS REQUIRED, HE WILL PAY UPON HIS RETURN.

THE "TWO PENCE" IS THE SAME AS THE HALF SHEKEL MENTIONED IN EXODUS 30:15, "THE RICH SHALL NOT GIVE MORE, AND THE POOR SHALL NOT GIVE LESS THAN HALF A SHEKEL, WHEN THEY GIVE AN OFFERING UNTO THE LORD, TO MAKE AN ATONEMENT FOR YOUR SOULS".

GOD CAME WHERE WE ARE AND HE PAID THE PRICE FOR THE ATONEMENT OF OUR SOULS.

2007-10-16 13:33:32 · answer #6 · answered by 4KNOWN 2 · 0 0

The name of the heavenly Father is YHVH, and the name of the Savior is YAHOSHUA! Other than that, you seem to be seeing what the scriptures say.

2007-10-16 12:27:47 · answer #7 · answered by hasse_john 7 · 1 0

Very good, Sandra.

Matthew 5:4
Blessed are those who MOURN,
for they will be COMFORTED.

2007-10-16 12:24:51 · answer #8 · answered by K in Him 6 · 0 0

The Issue: Translation of the Hebrew words et asher

Incoherent Translation

Let us first simply consider just what the Trinitarian translation actually says. It says "they shall look upon ME whom they have pierced and they shall mourn for HIM."

It doesn't even make sense. The people are looking at the pierced person but mourning for someone else altogether. It is a ridiculous proposition. Moreover, it says that they will mourn as one mourns for a "firstborn son." Does the Bible not say that Jesus is Yahweh's firstborn son?

How the Jews and John the Apostle understood this verse

It is rather obvious the Trinitarians have mistranslated this verse when we consider the fact that John himself quotes from the Greek Septuagint version of this passage which Jews had translated before the time of Christ:

And again another Scripture says, "They shall look upon him [Jesus] whom they [the Romans] pierced." (John 19:37).

Trinitarian Translation Inconsistency

Let us also review some major translations translated by Trinitarian Greek scholars:

And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of compassion and supplication, so that, when they look on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a first-born. (RSV).

I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and petition; and they shall look on him whom they have thrust through, and they shall mourn for him as one mourns for an only son, and they shall grieve over him as one grieves over a first-born. (NAB).

Now if Trinitarian Greek scholars themselves have seen fit to translate the passage in this manner, it is rather obvious there is a serious problem in using this passage as evidence in support of Trinitarian doctrine. Just as John understood the passage, neither of the above two Trinitarian translations indicate Yahweh is the one being pierced.

The Context

they will look on ME whom they have pierced and will mourn for HIM, as one mourns for an only Son, and they will weep bitterly over him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn....Then he will say, `Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.' Awake, O sword, against MY SHEPHERD

Whose Shepherd? The speaker's Shepherd. The speaker is Yahweh. And Jesus is the Shepherd who was struck and his disciples scattered. Does it make any sense at all to claim that Jesus is referring to himself as "My Shepherd"? No, it is quite ridiculous. Therefore, it is absolutely conclusive that Jesus cannot be speaking here.

The Hebrew words et asher

The passage simply does not say YAHWEH was pierced. The meaning of the passage is that they will look to YAHWEH concerning that fact that they have pierced and will mourn for him, that is, YAHWEH's firstborn son: "they shall look upon Me, concerning which, they have pierced and will mourn for him."

Trinitarians have been mistranslating the Hebrew words "et asher". These words are not often used together in the Hebrew Bible. Together they mean "concerning which" or "concering whom" in Hebrew and do not mean simply "whom" as Trinitarians are claiming (compare Ezek 36:27).

So the passage should read, "they shall look upon Me concerning which they have pierced and will mourn for him."

They shall look upon Me, concerning which/whom, they have pierced and will mourn for him as one mourns for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn."

2007-10-20 11:56:52 · answer #9 · answered by keiichi 6 · 0 0

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