Why dont Science dismiss this Delusion we call religion. Do you people not see what religion has caused?

Question

Science should dismiss it as a delusional state of mind, and not even consider it to be a logical working explanation of anything in our universe. I dont know about you guys, but I'm tired of hearing "Because god wanted it to be that way" for everything that happens in our world. how can a god be OK with the Genocides that we have carried out on his name? the killings of innocent people becuase him. People, if something does not exist it will not show, which is why you will never see a god. Idiots can go and fight over who has the better imaginary friend all they want, but please lets not believe that a god would create us, then set traps for us, and once fall into it punish us with his fire and smoke and pain and agony for eternity, but our parents tell us "God Loves you" Why do you people think?

Its funny that religous people require evidence from sciene, when thier whole believe system is based on tall tales.

Answer 1

Science has long dismissed religions...

It's people who can't seem to be so keen to let go of the umbilical cord of wishful thinking.

Answer 2

People want to believe there is something more than just living out their pathetic miserable lives and disappear forever. Hence religion is the antidote. Still, what religion is the correct one, if there is a correct one at that? I could'nt answer that, but let's keep it simple in this discussion.
Suppose there is no God. We can then do whatever we please, without fear of divine retribution, just Earthly ones. We might as well get whatever we want in order to make our lives as rich and pleasing as possible, even if we have to step on everyone else to do this. If you can have slaves, then why not? There's no Godly punishment later.
While we're at it, why not just take advantage of those less fortunate and eliminate the handicap, the over populated, the extremely poor, etc.? They just waste precious resources. Also why not eliminate the those that are not "normal" so as not to propogate those bad genes? In fact, why have morals and mercy? They hold us back from our most coldest potentials. In the end, it would'nt matter because we'll become non-existent soon. If we destroy ourselves eventually, would the universe miss us? What's the point of life and continuing the species then?
With the hope of something divine, we are kept in check from destroying ourselves. We have meaning in our lives, no matter how crappy our situations may be. We have hope that there is something more than our few brief years on Earth, then poof...nothing more. It's really hard to believe that all this is just an accident, considering the complexities of life and it's interbalance with each other. Seems more "miraculous" if you ask me.
Now, as for our modern day beliefs, there is a huge amount of corruption involved due to man-made beliefs used to scare people into their religions, such as "hell-fire," etc. Sadly religion has been used to commit atrocities, war, murder, etc. due to corrupt people who have their own agendas. Still, amid the corruption, there are good people still that do help out others for un-selfish reasons. This itself does give the rest of us hope that there is something more.

Answer 3

I agree with Vishal, of course, and I add that the difficulty is in the imprecision of the word "cause." Here, because "religion" and "science" are not themselves actors or human beings, but a social system of ideas (religion) and a method for investigating the world and developing trustworthy explanations (science), we can't say that "religion" or "science" alone are the "cause" of anything. In the context of markyy's question, "cause" would have to mean more than just correlation in time, with consequence Y occurring after action X. If we rewrite the question as "In this history of mankind, which has been the reason for more killings, religion or science?", then it's much more obvious that there is no good answer, because there's almost always a concatenation of "reasons" (stated and unstated motives, etc.) behind even just one killing, let alone dozens or hundreds or thousands.

Answer 4

For science to prove or dismiss anything it has to have empirical evidence. A theory has to be developed and that theory proved or disproved by experiment. As you cannot have empirical evidence that God exists, (although I and many others would say that the fact we exist is evidence), you cannot therefore experiment and therefore cannot dismiss the theory. Simply to say that the fact that something is not currently visible means that it does not exist is scientifically not acceptable. Before man was able to see the planets of our solar system did they exist or not? Before man discovered the microscope did single celled organisms exist or not? Science cannot dismiss religion because it cannot prove that God is imaginary.

Answer 5

I hear what you are saying, but don't rely on science to do it. Science concerns itself only with theories that are testable and reproducible. That is, science only concerns itself with the natural world (which I believe is all that there is). It does not concern itself with the supernatural world (which is a myth anyway). You can draw any number of inferences you like from scientific theory, but science will never directly say that god, or psychics, or astrology, etc. is all a bunch of bull. So, to dismiss the delusion of god, we must take the philosophical approach. Even this will not work entirely because it is very hard to convince unreasonable people using reason. The best bet is to convince the reasonable people out there, and over time religion will someday be a vague societal fetish, like astrology is now.

Edit: I would like to make one response here to Torobyte whose post is a few users down. Torobyte assumes that a world without belief in god is one where everyone is amoral. This is just not true. I don't see Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, and most atheists for that matter running around taking advantage of who ever he/she wants, taking up slaves, etc. In all actuality, those atrocities Torobyte has listed as examples of a life without god are really what has happened historically by religious people and their absurd beliefs. Everything from the Japanese in WWII who thought their emperor was god, to Pizzaro's massacre of the Incas, to the crusades, to the slave ships that brought africans to the americans, to islam extremists and 9/11, to pedophile priests, to pastor fred phelps, to the inquisition, to the conflicts in the middle east, to child indoctrination, the list goes on and on. Morality has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with our own biological behavioral tendancies. If anything, religion makes otherwise moral people act in immoral ways. For example, 2 islamic terrorists drove a vehicle full of explosives into the glasgow airport in scotland. Luckily the explosives did not go off, but one of the suicide bombers doused himself in gasoline and lit himself on fire. He died with burns all over his body except for on his genitals. He had wrapped his genitals in wet towels, to keep them intact for the 72 virgins awaiting him in paradise. He was a bright engineering student, not some psychopath. However, it was his absurd religious belief that made him attempt a mass murder, all the while believing it to be a moral act.

Answer 6

Science can never and WILL never "dismiss" religion because it can't be proven, nor can it be disproven.

And I hate to use the old usual Christian fall-back, but there is free will. We're capable of committing acts of monstrous evil, but we're also capable of doing WONDERFUL things. Without free will, this wouldn't be possible.

Answer 7

I dont believe in "a god would create us, then set traps for us, and once fall into it punish us with his fire and smoke and pain and agony for eternity".

People get out what they put in. God doesnt put violence into the World. we do a good enough job of that on our own.

If God kept getting involved whenever we stuffed up what would be the point in all of this? Why do we have Agency?

There is proof of God everywhere you turn. Most importantly in your own heart. You just have to be earnestly looking for it.

Answer 8

Religion is man made and is full of human errors. Spirituality of God is a completely different thing, so it is the flesh of man that have caused so much damage, Not God.

Answer 9

Live and let live. Religion is not the cause of anything bad; it is the people who interpret the religion to suit their own purposes who cause problems. As for not believing in God, when I'm scared or in pain, I don't call out for Einstein, I call out to God. It's called faith, you should try it sometime.

Answer 10

I don't think the god you describe exists either.

It is certainly not the God I worship.

Your tirade reveals complete ignorance of science and God.

Answer 11

I think any idea or any industry can become dangerous if led by the wrong people. That includes religion, but even scientists (nuclear bombs) or political ideologies (Communism may be atheist but it along with Anarchism is just as dangerous as a fanatic preacher).