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The Solar Influences Data Center in Belgium just issued an all quite alert.

http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2007/10/15/all-quiet-alert/

"One thing is certain, based on past climate history and solar history, if in fact the suns magnetic activity slows, or collapses and we enter a prolonged period of little or no sunspot activity, we’ll see a global cooling trend. There are a number of theories about and a couple of dozen predictions about solar cycle 24 which has yet to start. One paper by Penn & Livingston in 2006 concludes:
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2007-10-16 01:21:18 · 14 answers · asked by Tomcat 5 in Environment Global Warming

lostlyrics:

We don't just have a space forecast, we have a historical climate record, and a bunch of over confident fools speculating about a future trend that may or may not happen.
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2007-10-16 01:47:31 · update #1

Ron C.

Have you ever wondered what drives the PDO?

2007-10-16 05:24:44 · update #2

EDIT:

Bob do you even understand the science behind the links your provide? I don't think you do, the two links you provide are nothing but propaganda. There is considerable information on past climate variation and solar variability. To assume that the sun will remain constant is foolish, when it is the mechanism that caused the world to warm from the LIA.

2007-10-16 05:30:42 · update #3

EDIT:

Dana we all know that solar activity has diminished slightly since 1980? Not according to my sources, you nor Bob are not being very objective about the TSI record.

2007-10-16 06:33:10 · update #4

EDIT:

Dana look at the graph of the following link between cycle 21 and 22 and tell me if you can honestly make the statement that solar activity since 1980 has been decreasing?

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/10may_longrange.htm

2007-10-16 06:53:41 · update #5

EDIT

Keith, if you had any experience in modeling applications you would know it's not if WE are wrong, it is, how wrong are we. And your idols are very very wrong.

2007-10-16 11:17:31 · update #6

14 answers

Just think of the destruction that a cooling climate will cause the planet.

Oil demand will skyrocket, the poor will have to make a choice between eating or heating.

Crops will fail, the price of food would increase.

Species would go extinct as they always do during environmental hardships.

Weather patterns would change. Many parts of the country wouldn't receive much rain.

Already we can see heating oil increase in price as traders recognize that this winter is going to be colder than other years.

Cold would doom us all.

2007-10-16 01:32:40 · answer #1 · answered by Dr Jello 7 · 2 14

No, I'll be surprised and temporarily relieved. However, I don't see it happening. Key words in your quote:

"One thing is certain, based on past climate history and solar history"

Yes, if you base your conclusion just on past history, you can say the planet will cool when solar activity decreases. However, this ignores recent data. We all know that solar activity has decreased slightly since 1980 and global warming has accelerated rapidly. I would be very surprised if this decrease in solar activity were sufficient to compensate for the increased greenhouse effect.

Even if it were in the short-term, we continue to increase greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere. It would only be a matter of time until the greenhouse effect overwhelmed the decreased solar activity.

Like Bob, I'll be amazed if the Earth cools anytime in the near future.

By the way, to claim the Lockwood paper is propaganda is simply absurd, and a classic global warming denier tactic.

2007-10-16 12:45:58 · answer #2 · answered by Dana1981 7 · 3 1

I guess that depends on =how much= cooling we're talking about here. If, say, we were to return to pre-1970 levels, then no, a bit of cooling would make me quite happy. On the other hand, if we were to cool to pre-12,000 BCE levels, I think I would be quite upset.

However, despite the Solar Influences Data Center in Belgium's confidence that Earth is about to enter a prolonged cooling phase, I remain unconvinced that any such thing is going to happen at all.

2007-10-16 09:42:46 · answer #3 · answered by SomeGuy 6 · 8 0

I think a cooling trend is about to start but for a different reason. The Pacific Decadal Oscillation just entered its cool phase. Going back to 1905, whenever the PDO is warm the Earth gets warmer. When it is in the cool phase, the Earth cools. The PDO lasts for 30-40 years.

2007-10-16 10:54:43 · answer #4 · answered by Ron C 3 · 3 2

it would be sad if it cooled to much or at all, if warming stopped right where it is at that would be good too, i mean who can aurgue against longer growing seasons, and more outdoor activity longer, and less heating oil and gas use since winters would be milder, and alternative transporatation would be more feasible in more areas then now because riding a bike or using rail or buses can be a drag in the cold snowy weather. this would automatically decrease co2 emissions.

who can be against plants growing more robust and vigorous in a higher co2 enviroment? could it be that they want to reverse global warming not because it would cause flooding (I mean flooding happens all the time) in coastal areas (couldnt' they just build furthur inland? why do we have to sacrifice and pay more money for oil and gas so a few people can keep their beachfront properties? why do we have to subsidize rich people? after all they produce way more co2 emissions then the average joe does, so we have to use less, pay more to subsidize their lifestyles?

could their reason for this be because global warming will increase food production and increase lifespans and that is something the rulers and weatlhy absolutly hate! they are trying to decrease populations through birth control, forced sterilization, and starvation and wars, why would they want populations to be able to get more bang for their food dollar because global warming increases crops and food production goes on longer?

what better way to fleech the flock, and decrease living standards and population then by taxing co2 (which by the way we breath out, don[t be surprised if they tax us for that too) if you can't get enough to eat or have to work 20 hours per day just to make ends meet as wages decrease and cost of living rises, who will hae the time or energy to have babies and boy what a way to kill off the population then by working them to death.

Or they could just that they don't want us to gain any more wealth as a nation so by taxing co2 they can reduce our standard of living, make us poorer and give them more control, afterall who wants slaves that are wealthy adn educated and strong?

RRRRR

2007-10-16 15:47:03 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 0 1

No, I'll be amazed.

The solar cycles you talk about have no significant impact on the total amount of energy the Sun delivers to the Earth. They are completely insignificant compared to what greenhouse gases are doing. Proof from two different angles below. Short articles here, detailed scientific data in the Source section.

http://www.globalwarmingart.com/wiki/Image:Climate_Change_Attribution.png

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6290228.stm

2007-10-16 11:42:35 · answer #6 · answered by Bob 7 · 3 2

Oh you have a space weather forecast.(that's all)
(edit: sun activity decreases since the 80s - old hat)

We have global warming. At a certain point this
might break the gulfstream hence cause an ice age.

2007-10-16 08:44:05 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 9 3

My God! No sunspots!

And at the bottom of the 11-year sunspot cycle, too!! Who could have possibly predicted that??

Climate models simply MUST have gotten it wrong!

2007-10-16 15:53:34 · answer #8 · answered by Keith P 7 · 2 3

I love to fish for trout and salmon which are cold water species. I would love it if the earth cooled because it would increase their numbers and range.

2007-10-16 08:49:06 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 2 1

No. I like the cold, I hate the warm weather.

2007-10-16 10:08:01 · answer #10 · answered by ConsWentDownIn08! 2 · 1 1

Definatly won't be sad...i'd be relieved, we wont have outragoeus weather patterns or countrys going under water, or no more polar bears...

2007-10-16 08:35:52 · answer #11 · answered by Anonymous · 5 1

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