If you are agnostic or atheist, do you feel constantly under attack by theists?

Question

I feel I can't argue with religious people because their arguments are not grounded in logic or reasonable argument. How can you debate with someone who thinks blind faith is a good thing? Should we even try?

I have read Dawkin's work, thank you for noticing!

Answer 1

Nope. Preachy Christians are a huge nuisance, but not a threat.

I prefer to use their own Scripture to show them why I would NEVER become a Christian, even if the Biblical God existed. I don't consider a sadistic, immoral, killer God who drowned, plagued, and slaughtered millions (more than Hitler), conspired to have his own kid brutally beaten and executed, and repeatedly commanded his followers to kidnap, rape, hurt, and kill people, is 'love', good, or moral.

The few Christians who mind their own spiritual business, and don't try to preach at people who aren't interested, are no problem at all.

Answer 2

Such a good point.

Really excellent, this is probably one of the reasons Dawkin never debates them. He says its because doing so elevates their silliness in to it making it seem as if there really is a controversy in evolutionary biology but it must be just as much that they fight dirty and don't use logical, rational argument. As if physicists would be debating whether gravity existed. It's ridiculous and their arguments are so juvenile.

You read a list of logical fallacies and it reads like the theists favourite bag of tricks, straw man, non-sequiturs, slippery slope, excluded middle - every logical mess, they use in a dirty fight trying to make themselves look right. Of course when their silly arguments are exposed as such they have their special plead 'well it's called faith for a reason' which says it all, really!

Answer 3

oh surely they are logical. it is the kind of logic that is useless for anything other than "proving" that god exists by assuming it as a (usually hidden) premise though. theist logic gives us principles like "no effect can be greater than its cause in perfection", which can't be applied to the real world but sound really impressive when you're jabbering on about gods and whatnot. i suppose i sound terribly cynical, but it is important to try to understand it or we are just shouting past each other. i don't feel under attack precisely, just challenged by endless non-sequiturs. i do feel sure that they think they are saying something important, and i am interested to know why that is.

Answer 4

Your beliefs don't coexist... simply dont argue if there not willing to logically back up arguments, and thats what you want. Most religions are raised to believe there is no reason to argue the religion, their religion is right and its simple as that is all that they need to believe. So they never learn how to. I argued with some people of religion who had some fairly strong debuts, but those people are rare.
To answer your question though, i simply ignore them when they do, and i dont feel under attack by them to much personal life, but in legal matters and law all the time... if they attack me then ill defend myself, otherwise if they have no interest in seeing logic then im not going to force it down there throughts, and tell them not to do it to you.

gelfling ... i love you :P i meant to bring that up.

Answer 5

What Protestants don't comprehend is that the Pope's pointy hat consists of non secular verbal replace instruments. they are in a position to't decide how he keeps in precise touch with Jesus each and all the time. this is applying them loopy. Your question brings to a minimum of one's interest the actuality that Christianity has one thousand sects, each and each claiming to be holier than the others. whilst actually each and each is greater stupid than the others. .

Answer 6

Actually I find hardline Atheists more annoying, and general less pointed with their attacks.

They use exactly same arguments day in day out, and offer no explanation as to why I am wrong apart from.
"I don't believe in fairy tales"

I find Theistic attacks only moderately irritating on this forum. Repeatedly saying that people have no reasoning ability is pointless, unless you can exhibit your own superiority.

Read the question you asked and think about what it really is please.

Answer 7

I only feel under attack when they try to make their religious beliefs public policy.
Their attitudes about education, homosexuality, and criminal 'justice' (among others) scare me.
I don't want them legislating morality.

Answer 8

They have nothing to attack with, but they are very agressive. In real life they even use violence when they run out of arguments, or they become hysterical.

Answer 9

I sense that you've read Dawkin's work, good for you!

Answer 10

No.. I'm under attack by DEISTS