Some on here are saying that the grave is hell and others talk about it as a place of eternal torment. It seems like once a person has studied the Bible for many years they should come to the same conclusion as others who have also.
2007-10-14 13:19:29 · 16 answers · asked by Nels 7 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
especially on such an important topic
2007-10-14 13:22:52 · update #1
The bottom line that is proof positive against the idea that there is a place where the wicked dead will go to be tormented for all eternity is that it conflicts with the concept of a God of love and mercy. How could a merciful God devise such a horrible place as hell is believed to be?
So, about hell. Is it really a Biblical concept?
No, it is not. The doctrine of hell is a pagan concept adopted by the RCC and perpetuated by the Protestant Churches that came out of her. it is easily proven by word studies and by a study of history. The RCC version is actually taken from a play by a poet named Dante called "The Divine Comedy".
The Bible is consistent on this issue:
Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
If the dead in Christ are in heaven now and the wicked dead are in hell being tormented, then what does this section of scripture mean? Why is there and what is a "second death"?
Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Now, for your question. The only thing I can tell you is that in Messiah Yeshua's words, many are called but few are chosen. Those few, the Chosen or Elect of God, are able because of God's mercy to rightly discern the words and meanings of the Bible. Maybe not perfectly all the time, as Paul said "we see through a glass darkly", but on big issues like what the Bible actually teaches, they are clear.
2007-10-14 15:40:27 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
Some refuse to do their home work on where the words came from and what they mean like, Sheol, hades, hell in Hebrew definitions it means the common grave of mankind.
2007-10-14 13:25:41 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
Why? Because the field was sown with there 'good seed', but was over-sown with weeds from an enemy.
The concept of hell, as a place of 'eternal torment', was borrowed from ancient pagan religions by apostate Christians who were trying to explain the Bible in human philosophical terms.
Both terms from the Bible-sheol and hades, both are most purely translated 'grave'.
Eccl. 9:5, 10: “The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all . . . All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol,* the place to which you are going.” (If they are conscious of nothing, they obviously feel no pain.) (*“Sheol,” AS, RS, NE, JB; “the grave,” KJ, Kx; “hell,” Dy; “the world of the dead,” TEV.)
2007-10-14 13:22:43 · answer #3 · answered by Tim 47 7 · 1⤊ 2⤋
The punishment of the wicked dead in hell is described throughout Scripture as "everlasting fire" .. "unquenchable fire".."shame and everlasting contempt" (Daniel 12:2), a place where "their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched" (Mark 9:44-49), a place of "torments" and "flame" (Luke 16:23,24), "everlasting destruction" (2 Thessalonians 1:9), a place of torment with "fire and brimstone" where "the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever", and a "lake of fire and brimstone" where the wicked are "tormented day and night forever and ever" (Revelation 20:10). Jesus Himself indicates that the punishment in hell itself is everlasting - not merely the smoke and flames.
I don't see how that is merely the grave.
2007-10-14 13:23:18 · answer #4 · answered by Silver 5 · 1⤊ 2⤋
Many Christians have not read the bible or have misread the Bible, may-be this link could help you understand what the Bible says about hell. http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/hell.html
2007-10-14 13:54:32 · answer #5 · answered by Steel Rain 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Many don't like the different answers. Would you like to go to a place of great discomfort?
2007-10-15 06:40:40 · answer #6 · answered by Healing_Rain 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
First, i think that the "fires of hell" are metaphorical. 2d, i think of the actuality of hell is lots worse than that, even worse than even the main imaginitive of ought to ever think of. 0.33, i think of hell is greater of a torment than a punishment. Fourth, i think the torment comes greater from the guy himself or herself than it does from God. i think of human beings in hell ultimately could desire to stand each and all of the wear and tear and soreness his or her sins have brought about, exceptionally to God. briefly, there is not any place left to run, no excuses left to make, not greater lies which you will disguise one's self in the back of, not greater dodging the actuality. ultimately, i think of it relatively is lifelike, as i think that no longer in common terms did human beings in hell refuse to repent in the international, yet that they are going to shop authentic on refusing to repent for eternity. no count number how a lot clinging to their sins could harm them, that they had nevertheless particularly try this than ask God to purify them of it.
2016-10-06 22:45:31 · answer #7 · answered by ? 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Hell is a real place, which no one should ever want to go to.
2007-10-14 14:37:22 · answer #8 · answered by faceeternity 3 · 0⤊ 1⤋
The minimum of agreeing is John 3:16 : )
2007-10-14 13:23:11 · answer #9 · answered by SeeTheLight 7 · 1⤊ 3⤋
Jesus died to save us from it. He talked about it more than of Heaven. He and His word warn that it's real, and no one needs to go there. HE provided the way.http://www.thelakeoffire.com/
2007-10-14 13:37:35 · answer #10 · answered by Red neck 7 · 0⤊ 1⤋