If Gods place in the Trinity is as the father? Why do you spend your lives in service to the son?

Question

Jesus' God, the one HE prayed too, seems to now play second fiddle to Christ? how is this monotheism? Why do you forget God? does this not show you how the church has usurped the God of your religion with their interpretation of Christ as saviour? Jesus taught that the Father was the only Saviour of souls come Judgement day, why do go against this word?

Jesus never mentioned anything of a Trinity of Gods, the three fold God of the Pauline church was initiated to give credibility to the divinity of Jesus, that they had to get around the fact that Jesus could die, for if he was a god he could have saved himself, thus the idea of the duality of Jesus was concepted. The truth about Jesus is kept from you through this doctrine, you will never be able to follow his teachings because they are lost, due to this doctrine, the council of Nicea destroyed over 300 Gospels that stated the true nature of Jesus. Paul and Paul alone was the instigator of this myth, someone of whom had never met Jesus, is now the focal point of your religion. What we read in the NT is just an interpretation of second hand evidence, this evidence is ambiguous at best, the main basis for this knowledge comes from Paul, the gospel of Luke, Paul doctor. Important scripture that gives the true nature of Jesus has been denied to you.
I know the truth, do you want 2 no!

for those of you that have mentioned the way I have asked the question; I have phrased the question this way to make the point that the worship of God has become the worship of the churches idea of Jesus, as in Christ. Jesus was a prophet of Judaism, he was a prophet of God, not God himself, if you believe this you are in opposite faith to Jesus, you are against the teaching of Jesus.
you are subjugated by the doctrine of the Greco/plato doctrine of St paulines church. you are sinning against your god!!! you shall not worship false gods! that IS in the bible, the Trinity is NOT!
wake up people, I feel that you are being led astray. religion is subjugation of the conscience, emancipate yourself!!

Jesus as Christ was made a scape goat for mans sins, it is the words of men that have made this doctine inoder to justify their sin, to give the Pagans hope of heaven through their conversion to Christianity. The teaching of Jesus made no referrence to the trinity or to his Godness, he taught that you would goto heaven by living by his teaching and worshipping God, NOT him! for he was just the messenger and servant of Gods word.

Answer 1

The trinity is a man made lie and a tradition that has been carried on by the churches. It was invented at the Nicea counsel and many Christians would not accept it and were killed,just great a God of love plus a 3 headed one at that had people killed for not believing that he is 3 into one.

Answer 2

The three major monotheistic religions- Judaism, Muslim and Christianity--all trace their religion in some way back to Abraham.
The Jews believe the Abrahamic Covenant is the start of their faith.The Muslims believe that Mohammed traced his lineage to Ishmael, the oldest son, the illegitimate son of Avram's liaison with Hagar, the houseservant. The Book of Matthew traces the lineage of Jesus back to Abraham.

But, why Abraham? Because in Genesis 14, Avram tithed to one who was both a King of (Jeru)Salem, and made a high priest-both by HaShem, G-D. And because Avram was faithful by tithing to Melchizedek, who served as the Intercessor because he was a high priest, HaShem/G-D blessed him in Genesis 15.

In Muslim, traditional Judaism and Christianity/Messianic Judaism, there was always an Intercessor. Muslims have Mohammed, who gave the Sunnah and the Koran when he stood on the mountain, above the people. Rabbinic Judaism had Moses, who passed along the Laws of the Torah he had received when he stood on the mountain above the people. And when Jesus was baptized, He, too, climbed Mount Olive, and delivered the Beattitudes to the people....but there was a difference with Jesus that had not existed with Moses or Mohammed....Jesus was not just a prophet who gave out prophesies, He was one who was prophesied to come, because He was

In Isaiah 53-written 500 years before He arrived, it was written that a Servant would come, He would be sinless and He would bear the sins of others, and in doing so, as it says in 53:12, "would make Intercession for the transgressors." To "make intercession" means to be the One between G-D and the people. So, according to the prophesies of the Book of the Jews, the original volume, the "way to the Father would be through this Intercessor."

In Ezekiel 34, it is written that G-D Himself would come down to feed the people, retrieve the lost sheep, heal the sick, bind the injured, and He would bring His servant David, in other words one who would come from the lineage of the House of David, and that servant would be made prince...a prince being the Son, and in this case, being the Son of the King of the Universe.

And since the way to the Father is through the servant, and this servant would be the prince, "The way to the Father would be through the Son," who would be the Good Shepherd, the one sent. as Jesus said in Matthew 15, "for the lost sheep of Israel," and in the process, actually for the lost sheep of the world-the Israelites and the Gentiles and all other Believers.

The problem with modern day churches is not that they are preaching something that is not written--for it was. But, those that are teaching that the New Covenant in any way replaces the Old are calling Jesus a liar, and a bearer of false witness, because it is inconsistent with what He said in Matthew 5:17, when He said that He came to FULFILL, not ABOLISH the prophesies.

The very first three words, in the original language, of the first volume of the Bible-the Tenakh, says BERESHIT BARA ELOHIM. But, the word "bara" is in the singular form of the verb, yet "Elohim" is in the plural form of the noun. So, the original writing of the Bible recognizes that G-D is a unity, one which even Jesus recognizes when He says that the Greatest Commandment is the Sh'ma Israel-Hear, O Israel, the L-RD OUR G-D, the L-RD is One.

That One, though, first appeared in a form that was OUTSIDE of us, a form that frightened men and women, that spoke to the Intercessors only..to Adam and Eve, Noah, Abraham, Moshe, David, the prophets and others.

Then, that ONE was in a form that could walk BESIDE US, clarifying what was said when Moses had been "with G-D." This form was "G-D," as prophesied in Ezekiel. It was something John recognized from the very beginning of his life, when he was still in Elizabeth's womb, and he jumped for joy when Mary visited.

Finally, that ONE, dwelled INSIDE US. as those who take the words spoken and the words written and make it part of their spirit, do not just listen to the law of the flesh, but make it part of their own spirit.

In due time, those meant to believe will realize the crease in the pages that separate the Book of Malachi and the Book of Matthew is a bridge between the flesh and the spirit, between what was, what is and what is yet to be...and the Jews will complete their journey by reading the rest of the story while the others will come to realize what comes before Matthew is important, or else why start it out with the lineage to show it is a continuation in the first place?

Answer 3

When Jesus was on earth, he was a man. After his death and subsequent resurrection he returned to the heavenly realms as a spirit. When on earth he told us, very clearly, that no-one comes to the Father except THROUGH HIM. He told us that HE is the way, the truth and the light. The Church has not usurped God by saying Christ Jesus is the saviour. GOD TELLS US THAT CHRIST JESUS IS SAVIOUR. We cannot approach God direct - Christ Jesus is our mediator.

Regarding the day of Judgement, there are two judgements. One before the throne upon which Christ sits (that's the judgement of believers) and another before the Great White Throne when God judges the unbelievers. Read the book (Revelation).

Answer 4

You are confused. Jesus said "I and the Father are One." "If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father, also."
They are seperate, yet one. Like a man is a father, a son, and a husband. Three people in one person.
What are you talking about that Jesus taught the the Father was the only Savior of souls come judgment day? Jesus is going to Judge everyone. Everything was done for Him, and through Him.
Please read John 1:1-5 Jesus is the Word! You should go back, and read some more scripture. You are mistaken.

Answer 5

Now you have to understand something here ST, this god chap can get quite irate, and if you Pi-ss him off, he may smite you, for he is an all mighty and very smighty god is he.

So you basic Jew, is quite brave really, he deals directly with the old man, and takes the risk not to upset him too often.

Now you old world Christian, they like to deal with the son, but not to directly, just in case he has some qualities of his dad, so they deal - like most good Italians do, through his mother. You want to get anything done, a subtle hint to Mary, and nod nod, wink wink, its suddenly an issue for both the son and Dad if they want any peace.

Now you Martin Luther boys and Girls thought it was a bit sneaky dealing with mum, but still did not have the guts for face the old man himself, so they have a relationship with the son only, its a lads club.

Your Islamic lot thought this was a bit silly dealing with the Mother and son, so they decided to go straight to the main old man, but choose an agent - Mohammad - to approach him on their behalf.

Your basic Baha'i, are happy to approach God, his son, even Mary, and even allow Mohammad to have a say on their behalf, they are only a small religion, and still desperate to get a foot hold.

Hope that makes it a bit clearer (sic).

Answer 6

Every interpretaions from church as according to the church leader to his own benefit to say. Every religious will use miracles to win their believers as people are innocent to understand something miracle you can do. My grand father in law was died but when he being close the coffin, he woke up and said he had a nice dream why put me in the coffin? Then he married the grand ma in law and had my father in law and my wife. I understand he had been taken opion. This is a false death and even the doctor proof his dead but he woke up.
Of course, he will not called christ as he had never did any good thing to people. Under certain religious, the superinsitution will win believers. In some budha sutras will tell you what is this, not a miracle. They have way of practise to let your soul go out of body to get information far away better that a express airway. They had never tell this is a miracle. The 8 level of satva can flying in sky, invisible, diving in the ground, taking thing in the air, etc, etc.

Answer 7

I don't. I don't believe that Jesus is one with God. There is only one scripture that even sort of refrences the trinity and it is not very clear. Jesus never said he was God, and it does not make sense, if Jesus was God why would he pray to himself, he wouldn't. Jesus was seperate from the Father and was a man not a God.

Answer 8

There is no trinity in the Bible. That is a false teaching that the Catholic Church borrowed from the pagans.

Jesus plainly said that his Father was to receive the worship. At John 4:23, 24, he said: "Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshipers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for, indeed, the Father is looking for suchlike ones to worship him. God is a Spirit, and those worshiping him must worship with spirit and truth.”

Answer 9

Jesus was modeling what we should do to please God. God is not playing second fiddle to anyone
Genesis 1: 26, Matthew 5, Matthew 6:9-13, Mark 12:29, John 1: 1, John 3:35-36

Answer 10

You been reading that JW bible again? My Bible says that even the elders in heaven fell down and worshiped the Lamb. In worshiping Jesus you are worshiping God and calling Him true. It is further true that my prayers are to the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.