Since the Watchtower has history of changing their doctrines, how likely it is in your books that?

Question

they will later on say that Jesus is NOT the archangel Michael even though they falsely taught one time?

Would you believe Jesus is not archangel Michael if the organization changed their mind about that or would you believe that Jesus was once the archangel Michael but is not anymore or would you seek the truth you think is Biblical?

Professo..: Yes. I read it.

Danceswi..:I am not here to win an argument. I am here to get answers to my questions. I believe in free will.

They do not have it all wrong, and I feel sad for them to missing the target. However, I would not have any problem being with them in heaven. They are not dangerous and bad people. And since we will lose our free will, they would not follow their organization leaders anymore. Then we all will know what is our one true God about.

And, since I seek the truth. I would be a Jehovah's Witness if I believed that they are only saved people. And that is why they do it too.

John the Baptist: I agree with you to the point. What good it can do to anyone if they know the Bible thru the lens of the false teachings of organization that claims to be the only truthful interpreter of the God's Word? That is what Satn is doing, mixing some thruth in lies to make them more believable. You do not even have to believe in all Satan's lies to miss Heaven, so Satan is quite happy if they just do not believe the true message of Lord-God Jesus, our Savior.

Moises- Frias: My church does not make me to give 10 % of my money to the church. We are under the new covenant and it is only between me and God how much I give. However, I am gladly giving my money to kingdom purposes. I fully trust my church and how they use the money. God loves cheerful giver.

Moises: It is between you and God how much money you give. Whatever I give, wether it is more or less than 10 %, I give it cheerfully. I have never regretted that I have given money for the kingdom good. I wish I could give more. My church gives us statement when we do our taxes and we get to deduct that amount in taxes according to how much money we have earned and how many other deductions we have.

Achtung..: In 1 Thessalonians 4:16. Because "archangel" occurs in singular, this must mean that "there is but one whom God has designated chief or head of the angelic host." Daniel 10:13 where Michael is specifically called " one of the chief princes". The fact that michael is "one of" the chief princes indicates that he is one among a group of chief princes. How large that groupis, we are not told. But that fact that Michael is one among equals proves that he is not totally unique.

You also made it sound that even if it is unlikely that the Society would change this doctrine, it would not be a big deal if they said Jesus was not an angel.

Jesus is the truth. Do not mess with truth when you want to serve God.

Answer 1

It's extremely unlikely that the Watchtower Society will ever change its doctrine about Jesus being the archangel Michael. If they concede that he isn't an angel, what are they left with? The only other option is that Christ is God! But I take your point about this, as an example. Their literature has been changed over the years, with no questions asked by JWs. Sometimes only the addition of one little word in later editions has been enough to change a doctrine and give the Society a new lease of life.

For example, compare these two editions of the same book:
"...and that the 'battle of the great day of God Almighty', which will END in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced." (The Time is at Hand, 1911 edition, p101)
"...and that the 'battle of the great day of God Almighty', which COMMENCED in A.D. 1914..." (The Time is at Hand, post 1914 editions, p 101)

For a recent example, compare these almost exact statements:
'[Paul] was also laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th century.' (Watchtower 1 Jan 1989 p12)
'..within our twentieth century, the battle of the day of Jehovah will begin.' (The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah, p216, 1971 edition)
'[Paul] was also laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our day.' (Bound 1989 Volume of Watchtowers, 1 Jan p12)

You have to have very sharp eyes to note such subtle changes. And when JWs have this pointed out to them, they can resort to saying the informer tampered with the articles and changed them before photocopying them. Sad, isn't it?

Answer 2

Very likely. There is NO scriptural basis for Jesus being Michael the Archangel and JWs are known for constantly changing their doctrine and making false predictions.

Deut. 18:22, "If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him."

Below is just a small sample of their constantly evolving 1914/Last Days doctrine.

1925 "The year 1925 is here. With great expectation Christians have looked forward to this year. Many have confidently expected that all members of the body of Christ will be changed to heavenly glory during this year. This may be accomplished. It may not be. In his own due time God will accomplish his purposes concerning his people. Christians should not be so deeply concerned about what may transpire this year." The Watchtower, 1/1/25, page. 3.


1984 Some of that "generation (of 1914)" could survive until the end of the century. But there are many indications that "the end" is much closer than that! (The Watchtower, March 1, 1984 pp. 18-19)

1993 "Further, the widely circulated booklet Millions Now Living Will Never Die presented the view that in 1925, God's purposes regarding the restoring of the earth to Paradise and the resurrecting of the faithful ones of old would begin to be fulfilled. ... The year 1925 came to its conclusion, but the end was not yet! Ever since the 1870's, Bible Students had been serving with a date in mind - first 1914, then 1925. Now they realized that they must serve for as long as Jehovah wishes." (Watchtower; Nov. 1, 1993; p. 12)

1995 [Discussing the generation of Mt 24] "apparently refers to the peoples of earth (now) who see the sign of Christ presence but fail to mend their ways." (Watchtower November 1, 1995 p.12)

Answer 3

Having dealt with JW's in the past in my personal life, I can tell you that there is no issue that they will not consider changing stance on-they should get David Cameron to front them, he'd be perfect.
The Watchtower has been published since the late 1800's, ie since the JW's were first formed (I mean, come on! How can anyone take seriously a religion that's only been around a little over a century?),and even then they were making it up as they went along. They at first claimed that the Second Coming was in 1874, then later changed their minds and said it was 1914. Their stance on blood products has changed many times, even though blood transfusions have only been around less than a century.
Do yourself a favour and stay clear of this vile, brainwashing, utterly detestable religion

Answer 4

Completely unlikely.

Ironically, while Jehovah's Witnesses do happen to believe that "Michael" is Jesus, the idea is hardly central to their faith. Abandoning the idea would not complicate their theological understanding of the bible, as nothing else really rests on this nugget of cognizance.

It is just that a child can recognize what the bible says about the idea...

Is not Jesus Christ the primary "Seed" who defeats Satan? The Millennial Rule begins with Satan's abyssing, performed by Christ Jesus, and no mere subsidiary. Thus, when Revelation 12:7-9 tells us that "Michael" performs this work, Jehovah's Witnesses are convinced that "Michael" is simply another name for Jesus, just as "Immanuel", "Sprout", "David", and "The Word" are additional names of Jesus (see Matt 1:23 ["Immanuel"]; Zech 6:12 ["Sprout", "Branch", or "Shoot"]; Ezek 37:24,25 ["David"]; Rev 19:13 ["The Word of God"]).

(Genesis 3:15) He [the Seed of God's woman] will bruise you [the original serpent Satan] in the head

(Revelation 12:7-9) Michael and his angels battled with the dragon... So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan

(Revelation 20:1-3) And I saw an angel... And he seized the dragon, the original serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. And he hurled him into the abyss

(Revelation 20:6-7) Rule as kings with [Christ] for the thousand years.


What other heavenly creature would have the singular honor of being designated as the "angel of the abyss", who also commands the locust-like armies who use their lifetimes to "sting" false religion and get them riled up? Clearly, Jesus directs the preaching work and Jesus controls "the abyss" into which he throws Satan.

(Revelation 9:10-11) [The metaphorical armies] have tails and stings like scorpions; and in their tails is their authority to hurt the men [as long as the armies live]. They have over them a king, the angel of the abyss.


Almost comically, the same trinitarians who insist that Jesus cannot have another name are the same persons who pretend that Jesus is also called Jehovah.

While anti-Witnesses pretend that Jehovah's Witnesses rely upon one Scripture for the belief that Jesus is the archangel Michael, that passage (1 Thes 4:14-16) is simply the easiest, most concise demonstration of the fact.
...(1 Thessalonians 4:14-16) Jesus died and rose again, so, too... the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel's voice

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Answer 5

JWs have a ready answer for this if it does happen. They will admit they are human and make adjustments when new revelation is found that clarifies a matter. And Christendom doesn't, those fiends! And then they will quote a Bible verse or two as a proof text, and be happy with that answer, reflecting any new Watchtower tenets while remaining convinced that they are lock-stepped with the Bible.

Can't remember where I saw it, but there is a phrase, "a man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still." Plan on getting nowhere with any proof you might have that they are in error.

Answer 6

how many times have you read our publications? maybe never you are repeating something told you by someone that request you give 10% of your salary and cause JWs don´t request it and explain you with the bible why, they are bother with us and don´t want you to learn the true cause they will loose money.

Can you imagine what would happen if all the people in churchs stop giving the 10% of their salary if studied the bible with the JWs only that topic about tithing?

the pastors will shake that is why they don´t want people read or talk with us.

If you read the Watchtower, what is the topic of the last issues?

you don´t give tithing?

uhhmm Ok be honest how many you give? nobody know your name, you can say it here....

Answer 7

Jesus forgave his disciples for each little thing that they misunderstood at the same time as he become in my opinion practise them, as a lot as and such as searching ahead to him to grow to be king of Israel and defeat Rome. He forgave them for each misdeed they dedicated, as a lot as and such as denying him 3 situations in a unmarried evening. Then he made them his apostles. although unworthy our efforts would properly be, Jesus has the skill and the authority to overpower our unworthiness.

Answer 8

I have used this line of questioning before, too, and their reply is "I will believe Jehovah and the Bible."

But they know full well they have to believe their Organization's interpretation of "Jehovah and the Bible," as fed to them as "spiritual food" in their helper publications, The Watchtower and Awake.

I've even asked them "So, this new publication you just received at your recent Assembly, do you wonder when the "new light" in it will become "old light?"

Some can't see past their hatred of my screen name to really think about that question.. well, maybe a few can, hence I persist.

Good luck with that. lol

Answer 9

I think Nina that we have to accept that you cant win an argument with the 'chosen ones'-they are always right and if they arent they can always change their books eh? The idea of spending eternity with a load of Jehovahs Witnesses would be my idea of hell. Just do what I do and say no thanks and shut the door! or better still dont answer it at all !!!!!

Answer 10

Fair question but spoilt by being rather lengthy. The doctrines change constantly. (eg in 'Light' the creator is called 'God' but now they say 'God' is a title, not a name.)