Why is Psalm22.16 "pierced hands and feet" and 22.18 "cast lots for clothes" accepted as "fact" but

Question

Psalm 22.12 "surrounded by bulls" ignored - if the bulls were just bull why accept the other verses as truth ? What is the difference between the verses that makes one so believable and the other a lie ?

And "clothes" could mean er... clouds that "clothe the earth" at a push ... and share could mean a ploughshare so ..
etc .....

{Eze_39:18} were "fat" not violent

{Amo_4:1} were cows not bulls

please check your verses

Answer 1

First you need to read the entire chapter. Chapter 22 is about the life of Christ and you will see that you uses different analogies to describe the situation of his last days. All the said scripture have meaning and each is just as important as the next one. To say that one is more believable then the other and the other is a lie is wrong. Where as you may not be able to believe it, I as many other can.
Here is the full set of scripture....
"12 Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round.
13 They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion.
14 I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.
15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.
16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.
17 I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.
18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.
19 But be not thou far from me, O LORD: O my strength, haste thee to help me.
20 Deliver my soul from the sword; my darling from the power of the dog.
21 Save me from the lion’s mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns."

Answer 2

I guess some people just can't distinguish between a metaphor and a lie. The "bulls of bashon" represented some of the kinds of people that surrounded him. The "dogs" in verse 20 were the Romans (Gentiles)

trong [bulls] of Bashan have beset me round; Bashan was a very fruitful country, in which cattle of various sorts, and bulls among the rest, were fed and fattened; see #De 32:14 Eze 39:18; bulls are noted for their strength in other writers. Hence great men, who abounded in riches and power, and used them to the oppression of the poor, are compared to the kine of Bashan, #Am 4:1; and a very fit name this was for the kings and princes of the earth; for Caiaphas, Annas, and the chief priests, that lived upon the fat of the land, who beset Christ around, and employed all their power and policy to take him and bring him to death; nor is it unusual with Heathen writers to compare great personages to bulls.

Answer 3

Okay, when it comes to things like this, I go through a process that gives me much to chew on!

What I do is look at other translations first, like this NIV:
16 Dogs have surrounded me;
a band of evil men has encircled me,
they have pierced my hands and my feet.

So you have 'bulls' and I have 'dogs', so why is it there?

So the next thing I do is look up the Hebrew word, since we are in the old Testament:
http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=03611&version=kjv

Strong's Number: 03611
Word Origin:
from an unused root means. to yelp, or else to attack

Keleb

Definition:
dog
1. dog (literal)
2. contempt or abasement (fig.)
3. of pagan sacrifice
4. of male cult prostitute (fig.)

So it opens up with all kinds of possibilities, doesn't it? I mean, we could be talking about religious pagan male prostitutes! lol

But with the revelation of what it was talking abut, i.e. what occurred at the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, we know that there were people who did not fear God. They gambled for his clothes.

The next step would be to consult various references to that verse in commentaries. I would try to see more than one, so that I can get a fuller view of what trained learned scholars said about it.

But the whole time I do that, I look to God for understanding. He's the one who really gives me the understanding - especially if the commentaries disagree with one another.

Answer 4

The "bulls of Bashan" was figure of speech mentioned in other scriptures.

From John Wesley's Notes on the Bible:

Bulls - Wicked and violent, and potent enemies; for such are so called, {Eze_39:18}; {Amo_4:1}. Of Bashan - As the cattle there bred were, and therefore fierce and furious.

Answer 5

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Answer 6

This is poetry literature, for one thing.
He also calls himself a worm and clearly says he
means that others consider him to be that,
not literally.
He makes references to dogs and lions as
well as bulls. It is clear that he is describing
the way people treated him b/c he talks about
them opening their mouths against him - and talks
about men doing the same!
The piercing of hands and feet is kind of poetic too
as well as gambling for his garments, but it
is a very specific Kind of thing, whereas it
is well known that calling your enemies a bear
or a lion is not literal, but a common poetic
metaphor, especially for the times!
All the descriptions line up together!

Answer 7

neither are a lie, did you read the whole psalm?

or are you trying to be funny with the "bull" stuff?

Answer 8

Who ignores it.. I may see bulls as a definition of strength but I don't ignore it.. IHS Jim

Answer 9

Well bulls can also mean a group of mean people.

Answer 10

Are you trying to prove a negative again?

Shame on you.