and it should be a rational reason. Any answers that refer to the bible will be ignored of course. Passages from an outdated book of bronze age jewish mytholgy do NOT count as "rational".
Next, for those of you who think that marriage is a religious institution; you are wrong. Why? because marriage is a LEGAL contract first and foremost, and religious second, if at all. Try this simple experiment; go to a church and try to get married without the legal paperwork. Can't be done.
Next, head over to city hall and get married by a judge without mentioning any brand of magic sky-pixie. No problem at all.
See?
And lastly, for those of you who say "it's not natural" consider this; homosexual behaviour has been observed in ALL mammalian species and even in some birds, fish and reptiles. Making it entirely natural. We ARE part of the animal kingdom after all, despite some people's ignorance about that fact.
So with that in mind, I'd like ONE rational reason to deny them the right.
2007-10-12 06:14:45 · 23 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Edith,
At NO time has ANYONE suggested that a church be forced to perform a marriage for a same-sex couple. That's a red-herring designed to mislead the idiots. Seems like it works too.
2007-10-12 06:21:54 · update #1
Naomi,
Can you explain to me, in RATIONAL terms, why it's "morally" wrong for two people to love each other?
2007-10-12 06:22:36 · update #2
Jakes, you said;
"Marriage is a contractual agreement designed to faithfully guarantee the transfer of property from one generation to the next. As a same-sex union cannot procreate (adoption and artificial insemination notwithstanding) and thus cannot produce a future generation (and never had even a theoretical potential to do so), the participants have no standing to entrer into such a contract."
So that means that heterosexual couples who are incapable or unwilling to procreate should have their marriages annulled right?
Can't have it both ways you know...
2007-10-13 04:31:58 · update #3
Sorry, can't give you an answer as I agree with you. Just wanted to say WELL MADE POINT friend.
As for Edith: Some churches are willing. What is happening now is the government is forcing those churches not to bless a legal marriage. Is that somehow okay with you?
2007-10-12 06:19:52 · answer #1 · answered by toff 6 · 6⤊ 4⤋
Marriage is a contractual agreement designed to faithfully guarantee the transfer of property from one generation to the next. As a same-sex union cannot procreate (adoption and artificial insemination notwithstanding) and thus cannot produce a future generation (and never had even a theoretical potential to do so), the participants have no standing to entrer into such a contract.
Further, as the basic unit of society is the family...and the family is perpetuated by procreation....for the same reasons above, same sex marriage undermines the foundations of society.
Even further, as marriage is a social and legal construct, it is, by its very nature, subject to government control. And as a primary role of government is to promote the social welfare and health of the society, it should not promote anything which undermines that goal....which same-sex marriage obviously does.
And as far as rights are concerned....what the homosexual community is asking for is not equal rights, but special rights. Today, in all 50 states, every person, whether gay or straight, has the same rights to enter into a marriage as I do....in other words, if they are an unmarried adult, one can marry any other unmarried adult of the opposite sex aside from those categorized as incestuous.
I see no compelling reason to alter this universal right, but I do see great harm to society if this right is expanded as the the 'gay rights' folks so desire.
2007-10-12 06:36:43 · answer #2 · answered by mzJakes 7 · 1⤊ 1⤋
Marriage was intended by society to ensure that children would be born into a committed family, one father and one mother.
As a young woman, I was completely tolerant of homosexual couples, even living in a majority queer neighborhood. It was a revelation. After 2.5 years, I had made a complete about-face to believing the Bible on the same sex behavior question. This was based on observing and being a part of this community. There was no outrageous drag queen behavior. These were professional people, teachers, lawyers, executives.
I simply saw that the dynamic was not what it should have been. Men and women are different. Their different strengths complement each other. Their differences require more forgiveness and understanding.
Adoption for homosexual couples or singles should not be allowed either, children need a mother and a father.
No one would guess that I hold these opinions without discussing them with me. For years my hairdresser was an outrageous HIV positive drag queen. (I even took my sons to him)
2007-10-12 06:46:34 · answer #3 · answered by Sharon N 2 · 1⤊ 0⤋
I can't give you a reason, because I agree that they have the right to marry. I also think you make a good point about it being a legal contract. We claim to have separation of church and state in this country. In other words, people, your religious views should never enter into a decision about whether something is legal or not. Legality is based on harm of others. Two mature, legal-age people loving each other does not harm any of you Christian conservatives in the slightest. You think they're going to burn in hell? Fine, let them sort it out with God - it's not your problem!
To whoever compared it to pedophilia and sickos like Dahmer, that's a fallacious correlation and very insulting. There is a huge difference between the abuse of a child who can't defend themselves, and two (as I said above) mature adults entering into a consenting relationship.
It may have been illegal in the past, but that doesn't mean it didn't go on. Alcohol was also illegal in the past, as were many other things we take for granted today. Face it, we're a country founded by puritans, and we can see those crazy puritanical hangups all around us. You can't base your decision on whether something should be legal on whether it was legal in the past. Slavery used to be legal too - did we have it right 150-200 years ago? Society is always changing and developing. You have to make your decisions based on whether it will harm others. Who is it harming? I really think it's wrong when people try to impose their beliefs on others.
2007-10-12 06:48:20 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 0⤋
As a Christian, I believe that homosexuality is not OK. As a lover of science, I accept that homosexuality is a biological issue. Studies have shown differences in the pituitary glands of homosexuals and heterosexuals. Natural reasons of animal homosexuality is though to occur when there is over population of species. So therefore, as an American, and a human, I believe genuine same sex couples deserve the same rights as heterosexual couples.
2007-10-12 08:02:03 · answer #5 · answered by craazzy_lady 2 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Would it matter to you if anyone could?
I'd say, "Render unto Caesar," but that's from the Bible....or is it okay to use the Bible if I am saying that I don't care whether or not the civil authorities legitimize what you're doing in bed, so long as nobody tries to force churches to perform ceremonies that violate their belief systems?
2007-10-12 06:24:29 · answer #6 · answered by adoptive mom 4 · 2⤊ 0⤋
As a History teacher and a social science observer I believe I can demonstrate that the making or legitamazation of homosexual relationships and or marriages has proven to have done long-term, historically significant, democratic, and socio-economic ills to our world.
If you go back to accient history the Persian Empire had issues with controlling its captive Hebrew people. The advice of the wisdom community was to make them immoral and not to do anything about their homosexual behavior. The remedy was effective and affective as it also casue years of chaos in the Persian world that casued them to be conquered in battle only a few years later.
A thousand years later the Roman Empire was rent asunder by the same homosexual behavior that cost Rome its position in the world and its demise in History. Rome is the test case for the demise of democracy from within and homosexual behavior was at the root of the problem. Both nations violated the basic moral fiber of a society to pass its beliefs, culture , religion and society down to its posterity. With homosexual unions their is no posterity to be had as they cannot pro-create. Both nations prove the trickle-down effect and affect of immoral behavior on a society from very different angles.
The last thing to consider form these two examples is that neither society ever considered the possibility of homosexual marriage or unions. The thinkers of the day knew that marriage was for the propagation of the society and the quelching of man's desire for sexual contact. Marriage was instituted in all cultures to provide a means for man to be sexually active yet confined to one person and raise the children produced by this union in a cogent fashion. Romance was not an initial consideration for marriage. That phenomenon did not start until the last 150 years in the western world.
The legitimazation of homosexual marriage is a concept that has already proven distructive in forms that were not even clsoe tot he modern day idea!
2007-10-12 06:42:01 · answer #7 · answered by jprentice3 3 · 2⤊ 3⤋
1.You can't "deny" them a right that doesn't exist.
2. Just because animals do something doesn't make it "natural". This is a fallen world - both the human and the animal world has "gone awry".
3. God invented marriage, not man, and He alone has the right to determine under which conditions it can be done.
4. You have been severely brainwashed throughout your life.
5. Why do you hate God so much?
2007-10-12 06:24:54 · answer #8 · answered by FUNdie 7 · 3⤊ 3⤋
Because I don't think people need to get married to prove legitimize their relationship. That's right America should get rid of marriage all together, no marriage for anyone.
2007-10-12 08:23:21 · answer #9 · answered by jetthrustpy 4 · 0⤊ 1⤋
Your rationality is ignorance in disguise.
To eliminate the Bible is to eliminate the best argument against homosexuality that will ever exist.
When you are ready to face the truth about this deviant lifestyle ask this question from a desire to learn truth and not support your own opinion.
God won't pander to your willful ignorance. He will judge you and condemn you for believing as you wish without regard to what His word teaches and rightly so.
Repent while you still have life in your body. There will be no hope for you beyond the grave.
2007-10-12 06:26:14 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 6⤋