How did God seperate light from dark two days before he created the sun and the moon?

Question

I mean we have night and day, darkenss and light becasue there is a sun and the earth revolves on it's axis as it orbits the sun. But according to Genesis light and dark/day and night appeared before the sun. Two days before the sun

And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

6 And God said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water." 7 So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the expanse "sky." And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth." And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

Kaboodle, the reason why this is not included ion Big Bang theory is because it is nonsense.

Forst the theory sets out to prove a premise - that the universe/earth is a certain age. That takes away objectivity.

Second, gravity is an incredibly weak force compared to the other known forces.

There is no reverse gravity. it has never been witnessed or proved.

There is simply no proof for these claims. They are at best claims and nothing more. It is not even a theory.

You also say that the big bang began as a black hole. It bagan as a singularity and undoubtedly produced a tremendous amount of gravity.

White holes exist only in theory as solutions to Einsteins equations.

See the following link for explanation.

http://casa.colorado.edu/~ajsh/schww.html

And just a little note on our Dr. Humphreys. He has refused to debate his theories in front of other physicists in open debate and take criticism of his theory. He is trying to present his theory as fact which is incorrect. he also ignores the inherent instability of a proposed white hole and doesn't present a solution to that.

KAL - that was nothing more than ifs buts and maybes. This argument is based on observable fact and not a perception of reality. Everyone can observe this fact. It clearly states in Genesis that light and day were there for two days before the sun. Now if light was everywhere did it randomly switch itself off and on again for two days while the Sun was being created. Now energy cannot be created or destroyed so when the light was there it can just disappear!!! Again fact. Observable fact regardless of your talk about perceived reality.

Answer 1

In exactly the same way he brought forth plants before there was any sun for photosynthesis!

Genesis makes sense as a confabulation of several creation myths from several bronze age cultures. Viewed as such, it is quite poetic in places (Although, like many early fables, nauseating in others!) But those who attempt to view it as a literal and accurate account have to abandon all pretence of logic and rationality!

Answer 2

Jesus is the light of the world. In the new Heaven and Earth, there will be no need for the sun, for the Lamb will be the light (that's not to say there won't be a sun, of course -- the bible doesn't tell us this). I find light endlessly fascinating as a picture of Jesus. Notice how a flashlight beam shines? Unless it has something to shine on (dust or moisture in the air; a tree; a dog), you don't see it anywhere except at its source. Now think of the sun. It shines into our atmosphere and causes it to glow. Light is all around us in the daytime, and on a moonlit night, the light is still lighting up the atmosphere to some degree. If we had no atmosphere, we would be like the moon, where the light comes from the light-colored ground and not directly from the sun. In order for the light that is all around us to manifest itself, it must have something to reflect it. Otherwise it's invisible. But the sun . . . yes, the sun is a picture of the Trinity. The sun itself is invisible (the Father) we see only the light that comes to us from the sun (the Son). This light comes by the power and energy of the sun (the Holy Spirit). The sun in the sky is not needed for light in the spiritual world. The spiritual light is Christ, and He is perfectly capable of being physical light, too.

Answer 3

Interesting question.

You would do well to learn what it is like on the planet Venus. It is covered with thick clouds (which reflect the sunlight making it the brightest planet in the sky) and therefore dark. What would it take to remove the darkness from Venus?

I imagine the earth was in a similar condition. Then what about the sun being 'created' on the fourth day? Most of the Bible commentators do not think the sun was created on the fourth day. It was 'made' to rule the day and to be a sign for seasons, days and years. We know very well how day and night, months, seasons and years are connected with sun and the moon and their relation to earth's movements and its tilt. This fine tuning was probably done on the fourth day. Again, you can compare this with the times on Venus which is the 'twin' planet of earth. A day in Venus is longer than its year and it rotates in the opposite direction as compared to the other planets in the solar system.

Moreover, if "evening and morning" mean one thing after the fourth day then they should have the same meaning before the fourth day. So, I don't think the sun and moon were created on the fourth day. Just that they were 'fine-tuned' to give us the day, night, month, year and different seasons as we know them today.

Answer 4

This is one of my favorite arguments against creation...the assumptions inherrent in the argument are just so arrogantly certain of our own knowledge of the universe and so clearly "earth-centric" that it always makes me laugh.

I can certainly understand how, from the perspective of a human being living on the finished product of the earth, that it seems illogical to think that without the sun there can be no light (and even that without the sun, plants couldn't grow).

However, none of us could possibly know if there was a source of light that existed before the sun. Perhaps when God said "let there be light", poof, the heavens themselves became illuminated and began producing the light required to support plant life. Why not...after all, the sun is hardly the only source of light that exists today. I can make plants grow in a dark closet with some electricity and a grow light...neither of these things require sunlight!

Then, on the fourth day, God concentrated the light producing energy into what we know as the sun, created other clusters of concentrated energy (the stars) and created the moon. The passage you quoted said that he placed the sun and the moon to "mark seasons and days and years". The simple fact is that we don't "know" that the purpose of the sun is to sustain life and provide light to the world...yes, that is what it does now, but has it always been so? Isn't it possible that there was plenty of life supporting light before God created the sun but that he decided to concentrate that light into a distinct cluster to create a worldwide consistent method for measuring the passage of time?

I find it psychologically interesting that people who crticize those that believe in the literal truth of Genesis try to dispute their beliefs using a literal interpretation of a the same story. The problem is that both perspectives are based on our own perceptions of reality and those perceptions are naturally limited by our existence on the earth as it is today. Isn't this sort of like describing a color to blind child? Our ability to interpret anything, including the story of creation, is limited by our imagination...by our ability to relate something we've never seen or experienced to things that we have observed.

Answer 5

Gravity affects light - read the following on how the
"Big Bang" began (and the black hole/white hole
event horizon caused light and dark to be separated)

...a very interesting and ground breaking book, Starlight and Time by D. Russell Humphreys, PhD.d. Dr. Humphreys was awarded his PhD.D. in physics from Louisiana State University in 1972. When I saw him lecture and spoke with him in Albuquerque in 1994, Dr. Humphreys was working for Sandia National Laboratories in Nuclear Physics. At the time I saw him, his hypothesis was receiving favorable responses from the scientific community. This will only be a brief review of his work.


This is a very significant work dealing with the most difficult question concerning creation and cosmology. How is it possible for light to have had time to travel 15 to 20 billion light years from the furthest stars to Earth if Earth is only six thousand years old? To answer this, Dr. Humphreys uses information which should have been included in the Big Bang Theory and would have made it possible in the Big Bang Theory also. That information is the theory of the effects of the event horizon of a black or white hole on time.

The most significant difference between a black hole and a white hole is that matter can only go into a black hole and can only come out of a white hole. They are exact opposites of each other. In the Big Bang theory, the matter originally collapsed into a black hole. As the outward expansion began, the black hole had to change into a white hole in an instant for the matter to escape out into space. The expanding matter was subject to the gravitational effects on time. For some reason, this was not included in the Big Bang Theory.

The event horizon of either a black or white hole is the point where the gravity of the black hole is strong enough to cause "light to bend back on itself and where time is massively distorted." (Starlight and Time, pg 23, Russell Humphreys, PhD) The diameter of an event horizon is determined by the amount of matter inside of it. It will shrink in size as matter passes through it and will continue to shrink until it eventually disappears.

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And you are right, I don't think it is a theory either.
I think that there ARE unexplained things in the
universe - yet undiscovered - Don't you?
We are figuring out new things ALL THE TIME.

Answer 6

When God said 'Let there be Light', the Big Bang produced pure light and energy. As spacetime grew from that point, matter began to form, That matter began clumping together, and the first stars were born. That in effect seperated the light from the darkness that appeared between the stars. you can still see that darkness if you look up outside at night.

Answer 7

The answer is I AM. God has given us the answers we need to all questions, yet we still look away from Him to find an answer to a question that has no truth to it. The question becomes, was there darkness in I AM that needed to be dealt with by God before His ideas were His ideas?
The bible speaks of spiritual things to a seeming material age, and so one must read between the lines to find the spiritual meaning of what was written.

Answer 8

What's interesting is that light cannot be separated from dark. Dark is merely the absence of light. If you have light and dark mixed, you merely have light. The two cannot exist at the same time. A dark room with light in it is now light. Depending on the source, it may be a dim light, but it is still light.

Answer 9

Well, actually in metaphorical terms, the Big Bang can be seen as a separation of dark from light---the net energy is zero, and the material in the Bang comes from a separation of positive energy and negative potential energy. The formation of the Sun and Moon (nearly simultaneous) comes later.

Answer 10

Jesus Christ is the True Light.

John 1: 9 "That was the True Light, which lights every man that comes into the world."

And that Light calls men to accountability.

In Revelation it teaches that when Christ is around no sun is needed for light.

Revelation 21:23
"And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it; for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof."

Jesus Christ is the Lamb of God.