Creationism vs. Evolution...please, give evidence?

Question

I know some evidence for both, and I would like to hear from BOTH sides, what their proof or evidence is. But there a few basic rules I would like you two to type by:

Creationist:
No evidence where it can be said by anyone else (such as..."Look around you, life is proof enough")
Can't say Bible, a self-referencing book is not my idea of solid evidence
If you can back up your claims with a website (preferably Wiki, not a Christian propaganda website) would be most appreciated

Evolution:
Same as Creationists (sans the religious parts)
If you can give out a reference, most appreicated as well.

Now I want a good clean fight...Creationists, no Jesus, Evoution peeps, no Darwin...Now lets GET IT ON!!! -ding ding-

Primoa: Sorry..you broke the rules...the Bible does not mean evidence...sorry. I would like to see some scientific proof, if there is any.

Gracie: Ah but don't you get it? We WERE created!! When our dads had sex with our moms, we were created!! We didn't come from toads...we came from a common ancestor and- Ah...I doubt you want to be bored stiff with my explanation of evolution...indeed I wonder if you even want that knowledge. Also, I'll have to make your answer void because you didn't play by the rules, wishfull thinking does not qualify as evidence...sorry.

Ozeb...I'm proud to have you as an atheist...why is it that only atheists can (seemingly, based off this post so far) give scientific evidence for their beleifs? I actually WANT to see some scientific proof for Creationism...I really do, so that they have more firepower at their disposal...but so far...zip, nada....ah well...

Answer 1

Here is my list. There is more, I just tried to stick with the easy to understand ones.

* Fossils - the order can be determined by stratification alone (no radiological dating) it is unarguable and life started simple and got more complex. Here is a simple chart to show what I mean: http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/fossils/succession.html
* Circular species. Meaning that it geographically evolved in two geographic directions with interbreeding possible between all steps but not the two ends. The two ends are actually separate species. Example: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/05/2/l_052_05.html
* Mitochondrial DNA regressive studies. - This comes only from your mother and the only changes to it are through mutations. These mutations occur at a known rate, and converge world wide 150,000 years ago give or take. If Eve (6000 years ago) was the only female, it would be almost identical world wide. It is not. The flood gives a second bottleneck that matches the facts even less well.
* Geographic distribution of related species. Meaning related species are usually near each other.
* Wisdom Teeth - there isn't room on your jaw for them anymore.
* Your little toe - totally useless. Nice intelligent design here.
* Your appendix - totally useless now but it does digest cellulose in other species.
* Your inner eyelids - They don't even work now, but they do for lots of other animals like house cats. Bet you didn't even know you had 'em.
* Vestigial DNA - meaning chromosomes that we have but don't use, but that are used in other species. We have several that other primates use but are totally useless to us.
* The fact that we share so much DNA among species
* There are no wild milk cows. They evolved through artificial selection and are totally man made.
* Different breeds of dogs, cats, livestock.
* Viruses and bacteria evolve quickly and you can actually see it. This is why you need a new flu shot every year.
* Your tail bone. It is even not that uncommon to be born with a tail.
* Goosebumps - this would be useful if we had fur because it fluffs it and makes more insulation. For us it is worthless.
* The hair standing up on your neck when you are frightened. Animals use this to make themselves look bigger. Doesn't work when you walk upright and don't have fur.
* The fact that humans have gotten measurably and heritability taller since the 1600s
* The fact that humans jaw have gotten measurably and heritability smaller since the 1600s
* The fact that humans little toes have gotten measurably and heritability smaller since the 1600s
* Human lower back problems. Your back is intelligently designed to have support from your shoulders.
* Transitional fossils - here are several lists: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils

Answer 2

This is a great web resource which addresses every criticism of evolution that is cast by both intelligent designers and creationists. It explodes some of the myths about evolutionary theory that strangely still exist on this forum today. Evolution is the theory to explain where we came from.

The website provides evidence from cosmology, biology, archeology, fossil data, mathematics, physics and many other subject areas. Each claim by creationists and intelligent designers is dealt with step by step, subject by subject and question for question.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html

Answer 3

I'm just going to add a few items to Gazoo's list.

Chromosomal organization -- the arrangement of genes is increasingly dissimilar in anatomically dissimilar organisms. The arrangements of genes does not impact anatomy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimpanzee_Genome_Project#Genes_of_the_Chromosome_2_fusion_site
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pubmed&pubmedid=1550121

Viral remnants -- inserted sequences from viruses are found in the same locations in different species. If there hadn't been diversification, the insertions should be in random locations.
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=479102

Observed gene duplications -- the mechanism by which genetic information is increased.
http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/15/8/931

Answer 4

you really don't need to ask this question. There are already tons of websites out there discussing this.
Go to www.talkorigin.org for the science point of view
and to answeringenesis.org for the creationist one.

Alternatively you can search about articles about evolution in peer reviewed journals and look how many evolutionist versus creationist publications you can find.

Answer 5

Gracie darling, you came from Monkeys not toads. If you've read an article named 'Out of Africa' then you would know, we are all descendants of Africans, San Bushmen.

I can't say i am only with one side. I'm with both. I can't give you evidence or proof justifying my claim that there is a Higher Power.

But we are descendants of Africa.

Here are some links so that you can go read another Article based on the same topic.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1058484.stm
http://www.finfacts.com/irelandbusinessnews/publish/article_10009121.shtml

Answer 6

The first poster has given a much more detailed explanation and I agree with it

Answer 7

LOL. The science is not the only way of knowing. When one has a personal relationship with God, how you can possibly give that as an evidence? But it is enough for me to know that my Lord is real, He is alive and His Word is true.

Answer 8

Creationists don't have evidence and they don't need evidence... they have "faith" (belief without evidence)

Answer 9

The laws of thermodynamics, which are universally accepted. Life can not create its self. The univers can not just turn its self on. Yes it had a beginning, but some external source had to cause it to start. Basic rules of the universe.

Answer 10

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