What kind of hospital tells it's patients to defacate in their own beds because there are no nurses?

Question

This is exacty what has been going on at a hospital in Maidstone, Kent. It led to the deaths of 90 people after they caught a serious bug. Surely manslaughter charges should be brought against the appropriate people?

Answer 1

My Father was recently admitted to a NHS hospital, aged 87 years.
He was in for three weeks.He had chest pains. In that time he contracted C diff.
They closed the ward.
My Sister , who visited several
times a day., caught it also, was really ill, passed it on to her Family. She believes it to be contamination through
soiled clothing, which she brought back to wash, just piled up haphazardly in a black plastic bag , regardless of condition.
Fortunately, I managed to get him transferred to a Private
Hospital, on the fourth week, when by the Grace of God,
he was clear of the infection.
He is lucky to still be around., & Home now.

But it is a Total Disgrace , when Patients are admitted
to NHS Hospitals, go in for a particular illness, &
Don't Come Out, because contracted another.
I can re-iterate many incidents of this occurrence.Neighbours
Friends, who have not been so lucky with their Dear Ones

My Father may be past his Prime, But there is no excuse
for this to Happen.
All Health Staff , MUST be reminded about
Cross- Contamination, & Necessity to WASH & STERILSE
HANDS when in contact with ALL PATIENTS.
OR are they so untrained, in terms of elementary procedures
& language barriers that this simple rule is not applied...??
GOOD JOB MY DAD IS A FIGHTER, .....that's all I can say...!!!

Answer 2

No. Actually from a practical point of view of the fact that staff are too busy and moving beds is quite heavy on the back and also it may not suitable regarding the room itself, perhaps creating a fire hazard during the prayer time so I think the Health & Safety executive ought to be brought into this and put a stop to it. It patients are that ill they cannot go to a special room designed for this purpose within the hospital then I am sure their religion will accommodate this in another way. What if an airline pilot & attendants are on a long flight what happens at prayer time, do they alter course with the plane or what. No of course not, the religion must be more accommodating than this. I feel that it may be some persons intrepretation of the law that is a bit awry and not full of commonsense. What do Muslims here feel on this issue. Surely there must be a more commonsense approach? Any suggestions.

Answer 3

I was watching something on TV this morning about numbers of patients dying from these hospital bugs and it said 60 patients die per week caused by them. It also said that if a big company like British Airways or Tescos caused the deaths of this number of people per week, they would be under some serious investigation and the people in charge would face some serious consequences, resulting in the companies probably being prosecuted and shut down. Why is it so different in the NHS? If they causing this number of deaths through pure negligence why are the hospital managers not accountable. It should not be allowed to happen. The way patients are treated is absolutely disgusting. I really feel sorry for the Doctors and Nurses having to work in the conditions they do because some top manager wants to save some cash. Doctors and Nurses do a fantastic job and are overworked and underpaid. It is the patients that suffer because the care they need is not available to them through costcutting and bad management.

Answer 4

I am glad that corporate manslaughter charges may be bought against these hospitals. How degrading, being told to mess in your bed - it is an outrage. If Tesco killed 60 people a year in their stores then it would soon be stopped but it seams that it is perfectly acceptable in an NHS hospital. People complain about MRSA but C Dificile kills more people than MRSA. Do you realise that in other european countries such as Germany and Spain - they have never hear of MRSA and C Dificil? Our hospitals are an embarrassment.

EDIT: in 2005 there were over 3,800 deaths from C Dificil - it is rising rapidly. In that year there over 55,000 reported cases - can you imagine any other company being able to kill that many people and get away with it - it is mass murder by the NHS. The Government and NHS should hang their heads in shame - they have blood on their hands.

Answer 5

What is the government doing letting one of it NHS hospitals
get into this state.
The head of the Primary Trust took redundancy because
of this scandal. The government have stopped her redundancy payment until the police have investigated, - charges of manslaughter could be made. But against who?
It is not the nurses fault. they are understaffed and millions is spent on agency staff. For Gods sake LABOUR shove your
targets where the sun dont shine. We go into hospital to be
cured not to be put to death!! Get your act together.

Answer 6

It begs the question of where is all the money is going that Labour keeps gloating about that it is putting into the health service.
Nurses to busy to wash their hands, twaddle!. How long does it take you to wash your hands?. When I was in hospital, the nurses had time to gossip around the nurses station. Dare I suggest that they could have been washing their hands, providing a bed pan for an old lady or making sure that a patient wasn't starving to death in front of their very eyes?!.
The NHS needs an overhaul from top to bottom, less pointless managers on highly inflated salaries and company cars ( BMW, Audi, Jag etc)and less expense accounts at the nearest Michellin star restaurant.
Put the money back into patient care, better salaries for the nurses with the proviso that they are more accountable and responsible to their patients needs.
Consultants having to cut back on their ' private' work in NHS time. No more sloping off to the golf course.
And bring back Matron, a crabby old dragon who rules with a rod of iron,who misses no sloppiness, dirt, no patient in need of help. And an army of Mrs Mopps who know how to clean, how to pull a bed away from the wall to clean behind, how to leave wards spotless and germ free.
We had all this once.

Answer 7

When hospitals are set perforemance and budget targets ,thats where the responsibility for this mess starts,the allocation of funds is the wrong terminology,it should be,the paying of costs.If i was in charge of a ward ,i would treat each patient as they should be treated ,until i reached the limit of this care with the staff available.Any further patients would be turned away,due to lack of proper facilities.The safety at work act is there to be utilised by staff and cannot be argued with by administrators.You will be prosecuted for putting yourself and the safety of others at risk,why dont the ward sisters use this weapon.?

Answer 8

A hospital that can't afford anther staff. Yes manslaughter changes should be bought in against appropriate people but I bet the government take the hospitals side not ours.

Answer 9

It's a nice sentiment, but simply scapegoating. The appropriate people are the entire population of the UK, who have, through their democratic processes, set up and run NHS. The plain fact is that budgets require limitations, and limiting health-care funds kills people. It's a basic tenet that you can't give anybody more responsibility than authority, and if you don't have the authority to make improvements, you can't fairly be held responsible for not making them.

Answer 10

I agree with Chrissie F .....................

I have never heard of this and it should be closed if that is the case. Being short staffed is not an excuse for leaving patients in that situation. Not easy but not an excuse. Anyone found doing so should be disciplined and or sacked. Nurse manager should not be allowing their wards to be depleted to this degree. It is their responsibility to take care of their patients and their staff. They should be held accountable.