I simply can't jump on this band wagon....?

Question

Lets try to be serious if we have the capacity this morning.

If in the event that we end up with Clinton's proposed heath care system AKA The National Health Care System ot Universal Healthcare System.

1) Do you honestly believe, that if you get sick, you will simply run down to the doctor's office and be seen any quicker?

2) Do you honestly believe, that the chances of being denied health care are less likely than now under this proposterous program?

3) Do you honestly believe that the Middle Class Americans are the ones who will benifit from this system?

The middle class is in big trouble folks, if this system ever goes into place. It will be us in the middle class that pay for everything. Most of us have worked hard to get where we are and aren't prepared to give it up. Our taxes are going to be an outrage if this was ever to go into effect.

Sorry my typing sucks this morning.

Think about this very closely. We have a very evil person in this country wanting to be president. IF SHE HAD NOTHING GAIN, WHY IS SHE PUSHING THE ISSUE???

Politicians don't push for any agenda unless there is great potential for self satisfaction. Otherwise its a waste of effort.

Midnight, I truly wish, from the bottom of my heart that it was that simple. And I do feel bad for all of you that go through the things that you have, I'd never wish it on anyone. But there has to be a better and more viable solution. Thank you for your input, it's well noted.

People, this isn't really a Dem vs Con issue. Its a real problem that exsists. SOMEBODY needs to come up with a viable solution that will benifit EVERYONE.

Answer 1

Great question, but unfortunately, some like Mark are absolute idiots who can't see past their candidate's face.

The facts are the facts. Look at the British and Canadian health care systems. They don't work as promised.

Look at any program run by our federal government. Have they ever worked within budget and time frame?

And you are absolutely right. The middle class will disappear. There will be either the rich who can afford their own doctors and the poor who have to rely on the government for help.

But the biggest thing to realize about this plan you seem to have missed. It is all about control. The socialist liberals want to completely control your life. They will tell you what to eat when to exercise and if carried all the way through, who lives and who dies. That is the reason that Hillary wants such a plan, to control you.

Now if you want to fix the current problem, start with the judicial system. Remove these idiotic liberal judges, especially in California appeals courts, and remove the excessive damages payouts that insurance companies have to pay. Further, if a frivolous lawsuite is filed, hold the plaintiffs accountable for the cost of filing the crappy case and start punishing lawyers who actually file these cases. All of a sudden, doctor's malpractice insurance costs are reduced. Medical manufacturers insurance cost will be reduced. And your current health care costs will be reduced.

Finally, the next way to help reduce the costs for health care is to eliminate the fraud and corruption in the insurance industry. I know a few people who are receiving permanent disability from insurance companies and are perfectly healthy, that is as long as they share that disability with their agents and doctors. When I get the physical proof, those guys are going down.


EDIT:
To midnight&moonlight, I am sorry that you had such health problems. No one should suffer. As for your problems with the insurance company that denied your claims, this is a case that your judicial system in California could and should have fixed. But many of those in your system are easily swayed by money and/or political pressure. They don't seem to want to do what is ethical and legal. Your lawyer should have pursued that case.

Answer 2

News yesterday was it probably won't be passed in the house and senate, anyway, so she is running on something that possibly cannot be done. She is getting a lot of free publicity for it, don't ya think? (This is probably the most intelligent part of her plan.)

I personally think our country is dividing the rich and poor and this seems to be another way to drive the division down faster, excluding middle class making it easier for those with money to make decisions that those without money cannot defy, which is precisely what our constitution is for.

I am a medical transcriptionist and even I cannot run into my doc's office and not wait. Though I personally believe they should not cram so many patients in one time slot and that they should be more concerned about the cost of our time while we read old magazines.

Answer 3

I don't understand why more people don't elect to participate in their company's high deductible plan. There are NO monthly premiums, at least I know I pay none. I get the same rates as everyone participating in a PPO too! My annual deductible is combined for medical and prescriptions at $2200 (versus the traditional 2k med and 1k prescription), and I have the opportunity to put up-to that amount of money TAX-FREE into a SAVINGS ACCOUNT where it builds interest for the rest of my life until I use it (regardles if/where I'm employed in the future).
I've never had a claim denied, and my insurance covers 100% of ALL my medical expenses since I've met my deductible - prescriptions, doctor visits, tests, everything.
It doesn't get any cheaper than free, people.
BTW - I was just talking to someone in Canada the other day. He was saying people there were forced to come to the US for treatment becaue their health care system is in crisis. How would replicating THAT get us anywhere?

Answer 4

Maybe, just maybe, this might have saved me from having to file bankruptcy on medical bills totaling over $80,000 16 years ago. I HAD health insurance back then, coverage denied for 2 surgeries. Sorry, I just can't afford the $8,600 that they want in premiums and the deductible now, even with the 2 jobs I have.

Maybe, just maybe, someone who has cancer and no health insurance now, could have been helped with her medical bills, that are still climbing, totaling more than $170,000.

Hospitals are closing in California because they are having to eat over $8 BILLION dollars in unpaid emergency bills because patients don't have the money to pay. Our hospitals are closing. Our trauma centers are closing, services are being cut back.

This surprises me since I hear so much about people being pro-life in this country.

You know, you pull our troops out of Iraq and use that money to fund health care, the cost is minimal to your wallet, don't you think?

ADD I said IRAQ, not defense or terrorism. BIG difference.

Talk is cheap by the way.

I still have to pay for car insurance, or I can't register my car. And can be fined if I don't have it.

Funny, I seem to pay a lot into a system that I can't use very much. I make to much to qualify for Medicaid and am not old enough for medicare.

I will hope, better yet, pray that no one here ever finds themselves faced with these problems.

ADD: One other thing. this just doesn't affect a few people. Or at least don't find the number 47 million a few. And it's higher than that, I beleive. I don't think everyone has been asked if they have it. I wasn't asked.

ADD: Back then you couldn't sue, their was no patient rights. I had 4 lawyers tell me that it would just be a waste of time. And coming from a lawyer, that was surprising.

Like I said, considering everyone is screaming pro-life in this country, this shouldn't be such an issue. But it is, and it's a sad thing for this to be happening here.

Answer 5

Well if Sen. Clinton gets elected President I think that it is unlikely that this program will be implemented for her first term. I don't know that obviously but in this book I'm reading it says that President Clinton had many proposals for healthcare and other programs during the 1992 campaign, but when he became President he inherited a defecit, so after much debate among different advisors, with the advice of Alan Greenspan, they eventually decided to focus mainly on defecit reduction. This dissipointed many of the voters who voted for Clinton/Gore, and with the Clinton budget plan taxes did have to be raised, but over time the defecit was reduced and eventually the budget was balanced.

Like Clinton, the next President, whomever it ends up being, will inherit a massive defecit, plus the very expensive Iraq War, so it is very likely that many of the programs will simply have to be put aside. So even if Hillary is elected I wouldn't worry too much about the health care plan. Say what you want about Hillary, she's learned a lot about the politics from her husband's administration so she likely knows that much of this cannot be done for years.

Answer 6

My understanding of the term is because Americans always like winning and winners they want to feel the thrill so they jump on the band wagon carrying the band celebrating the winners.

Answer 7

1. No
2. No
3. No
There would no longer be a middle class. It would be, along with the other mass programs Hillary expounds, the collapse of society as we know it today. If people became aware that the old moral argument that socialism is wrong--that capitalism is actually benefiting people and serving the "common good." They would realize that Hillary is blowing smoke, you know where, just to get herself in office and obtain the power of the presidency.
She changes her rhetoric to fit her audience. So whats true,
what she said in Ohio yesterday or what she is touting on he "Middle Class Bus," in wherever it is she is going to be today? She hasn't studied history or politics very well. In the past 300 years, someone show me where programs for the masses have worked without causing a fiscal crises.

Edit:
Nemesis: Would we want to catch up with how socialism worked in Russia, Germany, North Korea?

Answer 8

You have to understand the Health system as it exists today. I worked for HMOs, hospitals and doctor's offices for over 15 years.
There ARE waits, months to be exact. ERs are overflowing, shortages of RNs, pre-certs for procedures that delay care. Procedures being denied by INSURANCE companies, claims being DENIED by INSURANCE companies!!!!!
And YOU trust these people ith your life!!!

Really, think about it. How great is the system as it exists now?
We need professional healthcare workers to overhaul the system along with the government. The AMA is pro national health care and these are DOCTORS!!!

Sorry, this makes me crazy.

Answer 9

I defer to "on thin ice."
Any new public program is going to have lots of problems from the onset. Being that this is America, we the people have the power thru the election process to bring change to public programs.
We are a country that landed men on the moon when it was thought it could never be done. It took us only 9 years after starting from ground zero in space technology to reach the moon. Now how long do you think it will take us to get a public healthcare system tweaked?

Answer 10

You, my friend, are very very correct.....This idea of Universal Health care is nothing but a ploy...Havent people realized by now that "if it sounds to good to be true, then it is" I mean honestly...oh and yesterday i read an article about how Canadas health system if failing-if I do remember correctly they have universal health care-right?