I think it's absolutely ridiculous, not a good strategy at all, and it hurts the fans the most. Yeah, it was fun to see Janikowski make what looked like a game winning football only to have had a TO called right before the snap....then he had to rekick and missed. It was funny. But now every coach is doing it in every big situation, even in college, and the novelty has more than worn off.
It's bad for the fans because we no longer know when to expect the kick to be "real". We're watching a game ending field goal, watch the kick go up and now have to think "timeout may have been called so this may not even count" which COMPLETELY ruins the moment.
I'm a big Cowboys fan and this happened on Monday as everyone knows. Folk made BOTH of the field goals, but I was beyond pissed after he had to redo it. Whether he ended up missing or making the second one is beyond the point. I just NEVER want to see this happen again, and I hope my team doesn't sink to that low of a level.
2007-10-10 12:03:25 · 26 answers · asked by bada_bing2k4 4 in Sports ➔ Football (American)
The only thing I want to see happened related to this is for a kicker to MISS the first field goal when a TO is called, and then MAKE the second one that he never should have had the chance to. Then that coach will feel like the moron he is for doing that in the first place.
And I will also say that I have no problem "icing" the kicker...I think it's stupid but it at least doesn't ruin the play, so they can do that all they want. But the commish had BETTER change the rules to prevent this from happening on every big kick next season.
2007-10-10 12:05:27 · update #1
The game isn't about the fans? Are you some kind of moron? Without the fans, the NFL is no more than some kind of amateur league. The fans are the sole reason why these teams generate millions, you idiot. The NFL is just a large corporation (or the teams), and corporations make changes depending on what their customers (in this case, fans) want. because if they didn't, they would ultimately fail.
2007-10-10 12:09:43 · update #2
For you idiots who can't read my comments, I said that I have no problem with ICING the kicker. But this is not icing the kicker! Icing him is to call a timeout before he kicks so that he has to think about the kick. This is essentially just giving him a warmup kick. Coaches are conspiring with a referee at the sidelines, so that they call a timeout RIGHT before the snap.
To everyone who is wondering why this never happened before, it's because coaches weren't ALLOWED to call timeouts from the sidelines like that before. So change the rule back because it's clearly being abused.
2007-10-10 12:14:10 · update #3
What does being a Cowboy fan have to do with this? I would see your point if Folk had made the first kick and missed the second, but he made both. It had no effect on the outcome of the game. But it made me realize just how stupid it is to be able to do that. Because from now on, watching any game, when it's time for a big kick and it goes up in the air, I can never know if a time out had been called and if it's going to count. It COMPLETELY RUINS THE MOMENT.
2007-10-10 12:19:11 · update #4
Mundane field goal attempts? If you think that last second field goals that will determine the outcome of a game are "mundane," then just stop watching football.
I have to say, the amount of moronic answers I've received with this question is ridiculous. This place is full of idiots, I'm surprised some of you even have the mental capacity to type in the broken English that you do. I apologize to those who have had intelligent responses. And I'm not saying this to everyone who has disagreed with me. But there's a big difference between presenting an intelligent argument and just spewing complete BS like most of you are...the NFL is about the teams not the fans, icing the kicker has been going on for years, oh I knew you were a Cowboy fan hah hah, last second field goals are mundane and need some spice...give me a ****ing break.
2007-10-10 12:27:01 · update #5
It's a pansy play to call a timeout right before the ball is snapped.
And you must not know what an audible is, because you don't call timeouts for audibles, that's the whole point of them you fool. Aside from that, there's a HUGE difference between calling a timeout when a kicking team looks like they might run a trick play, and calling a timeout with the ref by your side RIGHT before the ball is snapped.
Your answer, Razz, was the dumbest of them all.
2007-10-10 13:19:33 · update #6
I don't have a problem with it happening. After all, it's in the rules.
I do think, however, that the officials should have discretion over whether the timeout is granted. Like in baseball, when a batter requests a timeout, it's up to the umpire whether he wants to grant the timeout. Sometimes he gets it and some times he doesn't.
I think the rule should be something like:
- Prior to a field goal play, the head official may or may not - at his jurisdiction - grant a time out called by the defense just prior to the start of the play.
- If the bench of the defense indicates to the officials that they want to call a timeout just prior to a field goal play, that timeout must be announced by the officials prior to the kicking team being set for the play. If the officials do not indocate the timeout prior to the kicking team being set, the timeout cannot occur.
- If a timeout is requested and the kicking team is set prior to the request for the timeout, the timeout request shall not be granted. If the kicking team subsequently comes out of the set position without kicking the ball, the timeout is granted.
Basically, if the officials know that the defense wants to call a timeout just prior to the snap, that should be communicated to the players on the field such that the snap does not happen. And, if the defense's coach calls the timeout after the kicking team is set, too bad. Better luck next time.
2007-10-10 12:27:20 · answer #1 · answered by Paul in San Diego 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
No because football is a lot of strategy. In a way it is a chess match between offense and the defense. Calling a time out before a kicker comes out to try a field goal is a tactic. Does it always work the answer is no, does it sometimes backfire the answer to that is yes. If you make a rule saying you can not call a time out before the other team is about to kick a field goal what is next, the defense is not allowed to call a time out when the other team has 4 WR's on the field and they have a base 4-3. I will agree though calling all 3 back to back (Looking at you Cal) should not be allowed
2016-04-08 01:44:25 · answer #2 · answered by ? 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
There should be some type of time limit, but I don't think it is possible. The only thing I can think of is that once the offensive line is set, then no timeouts could be called; by either side. That would at least keep the defense from abusing the timeout policy.
I think it will pass and we won't see this happen too much more. Most coaches don't try these gimmicks because it just makes them look desperate.
Kickers are expected to perform in the clutch, so while it does seem cheap to do this, a good kicker needs to be able to adjust.
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2007-10-10 12:08:44 · answer #3 · answered by Gridiron Grapher 3 · 2⤊ 0⤋
It should be outlawed, and it sounds like the competition committee will discuss it during this offseason. I'm all for icing the kicker, but there should not be any timeout allowed in that situation if the play clock is below a certain time, be it five or ten seconds.
I don't like the Cowboys at all, but it would have been a stupid way to win/lose a game the other night had Folk not made that second kick.
2007-10-10 12:16:27 · answer #4 · answered by Craig S 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Keep in mind, the defending team is sacrificing a time out.
Also, what they don't show on TV is the coach grabbing one of the refs before the play and announcing that he intends to call a timeout. The Ref then waits for the coach to call it and blows the whistle. It's no surprise, both sides can plainly see what is about to happen.
There is also no guarantee it will work in your favor. What if the kicker misses the first kick and makes the second?
2007-10-10 12:16:55 · answer #5 · answered by Nate W 5 · 0⤊ 0⤋
You're a ******* idiot. This is football, not some pansy ****. They pay those kickers tons of cash to come on the field 7 or 8 times a game and make plays. If the opposing coach has a timeout he can use it any way he wants. What if a team comes out with their kick team, then lines up for a passing play? Do you want a coach not to be able to call his TO to audible. Get off your stupid soap box or find something pertinent to ***** about.
2007-10-10 13:15:45 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 1⤋
This is not something that is new in football. Ever heard of icing the kicker? As long as a timeout is called prior to the snap, the play does not count, period. Trust me, if it came down to a last second field goal for your team to lose the Super Bowl, they would call the timeout.
2007-10-10 12:10:35 · answer #7 · answered by msi_cord 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
"The game is about the teams not the fans" Are you retarded? The FANS drive the nfl. Both emotionally and finacially. The rule should be changed. So that during game winning kicks only a player may call a time-out. Instead of the coaches.
2007-10-10 12:18:18 · answer #8 · answered by Tha Syko Clown 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
well for sure it will be brought up in the fture meetings after this season, and im sure they are going to do something to stop it as much as they can, its really not fair when a team is putting their last bit of strength into a play then having to do it all over again becasue of a b.s. timeout, and this is not just because im a cowboys fan, but i didnt like it the 2 times it happened prior to the cowboys game, i think its cheap
2007-10-10 12:15:45 · answer #9 · answered by game_rooster 5 · 0⤊ 0⤋
It's the opposing team's last effort to save themselves, to ice the kicker/more suspense. But in all fairness What about those Cowboys?!! If the Bills could do nothing with that many turn overs they should've let it go the first time and called it a day.
2007-10-10 12:18:26 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 1⤋