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Quote from today's Cleveland shooting:

LeVert, the student, said Coon was a "gothic" who usually wore a trench coat, black boots and a dog collar.

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It started with Columbine. Thoughts?

2007-10-10 12:00:28 · 50 answers · asked by Not so looney afterall 5 in Politics & Government Politics

Viper- this question isn't a joke, but it also doesn't reflect my personal views.
It's to get people talking and thinking- especially about something other than George Bush and Hillary Clinton!

2007-10-10 12:57:28 · update #1

I didn't mean dressing goth started at Columbine, I meant goth dressers acting psycho started at Columbine.

2007-10-10 13:00:23 · update #2

50 answers

it is this type of generalization that makes it difficult for anyone wearing black to be seen as anything other than a mass-murderer in training...

example. i am goth. have been for over ten years now. i am also a full-time college student and a parent. people who know me don't so much as bat an eye at my physical appearance, but i do get the stinkeye when i pick up my son from Kindergarten.

to answer your question, i don't think that "cracking down on those who dress goth" is going to make much of a difference. clothing doesn't kill. what we need to do as a society is pay more attention to the little guy. outward appearance not withstanding, these shooters all seem to have deeply disturbed mental statuses in common. it seems to me that we (again, as a society) are more interested in persecuting the proverbial witches than we are about saving the people who are falling through the cracks. i highly doubt that no one in this young man's life saw any warning that something was wrong, not necessarily to the extent it has reached but still.

let's worry a little less with what the kids are wearing and a little more about how they're getting firearms in the first place. let's stop believing that anyone who wears black is "gothic" and that "gothic" is the first step in some sort of mass-murder handbook. let's stop blaming the media (music, books, movies, video games, etc.) and find out where the parents were.

2007-10-11 00:57:53 · answer #1 · answered by Reni Valentine 3 · 3 1

Only if we crack down on those with blond hair, or those who eat fast food, or people who wear the color blue?!?!?

You are profiling. Gothic clothing did NOT start at columbine. That is the most ridiculous thing I have heard.

What about Alice Cooper, who was dressing "Goth Like" in the 60's, and Marilyn Manson who has been around for sometime now. Goth has been around for a LONG LONG time.

Before posting a question, it is wise to know what you are talking about first. Do some research so that you don't appear uneducated.

By the way Trench coats have been around since 1914 and was invented by a man named Burberry. Many years before the Columbine tragedy. I doubt that he was "Goth".

"Harris was prescribed the anti-depressant Zoloft by his family doctor. Shortly after-wards, Harris reported having suicidal and homicidal thoughts. Harris was then switched to a similar drug Luvox. Some analysts, such as psychiatrist Peter Breggin, have argued that one or both of these medications may have contributed to Harris' actions. It has been claimed that side-effects of these drugs include increased aggression, loss of remorse, depersonalization and mania"

In my opinion we need to cut down on doctors that do not monitor youths on antidepressants.


"I didn't mean dressing goth started at Columbine, I meant goth dressers acting psycho started at Columbine"

That statement didn't help you any. You should have stopped with...

"I didn't mean dressing goth started at Columbine"

2007-10-10 12:34:25 · answer #2 · answered by BhitchyPrincess 5 · 2 0

Forcing somebody who is disturbed to dress differently is not going to get at the heart of their psychological problems; they'll just be a psycho in different clothes. I think that getting disturbed kids counseling, making it harder for children to get weapons, and cutting way back on the media publicity given to these events would do more to stop these sick copycats.

Way before Columbine I was a teenager in a black trenchcoat who never intended to harm or intimidate anyone. I just thought the coat looked cool. I think that covers the vast majority of teens who dress goth and/or wear trenchcoats to school. If someone had told me to give up MY coat because some crazy person did something awful wearing a similar coat, I'd have been extremely disgruntled.

2007-10-10 12:11:44 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

"Goth" and "Emo" did not start with Columbine. Nor can you assume that everyone who dresses in such a way is destined to commit a heinus murder or other such crime. Goths/Emos are just a bunch of kids pretending to be depressed and suicidal all day long, who really just have nothing better to do. Just becuase one of them every now and then happens to snap, does not make them all murderers. Have you noticed that the kids who snap like this are always recorded as being picked on? Maybe instead of worrying about cracking down on the way people dress, we should worry more about teaching our children to accept people as they are, and not to pick on people who are different from them. Maybe the the "jocks" and the "preps" and the "goths" and everyone else will be able to get along, and there will be no more reason for any of this.

2007-10-10 12:10:22 · answer #4 · answered by Adult Toy Parties By Emily 2 · 2 0

People have the right to express themselves through clothing. Why make someone stop dressing gothic? There are many different looks to goth - besides that, not only do many nice people wear trench coats, mass murderers wear normal clothes --- should those be banned too?

Could it possibly be due to the fact that the "goth" look goes agains some sort of religious view you've got?

2007-10-10 12:06:23 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 2 1

I think this is a stupid question. I hate how everyone now judges everyone by what they look like and what they wear. Aren't we all supposed to get along? And end predigest? This just ADDS to it. Not everyone goth person is going to kill someone. How would you feel if you where goth, and JUST because of what you wear you where judged and forced to get counseling or something of that sort so you wouldn't do 'harm?' It's just stupid, and it hurts peoples feelings. So from every school shooting, or every rape, or something like that, are we going to take the stereotype that the person how did the crime and put a bad name to them? And 'crack down' on them? If so then everyone in the world would be bad.

2007-10-10 12:11:04 · answer #6 · answered by -peanut- 3 · 1 0

Being goth does not mean you are going to shoot people...get over it. I have known many goth people who wanted to do no harm...they were just a bit different. I am a high school teacher, and I am not at all afraid of my gothic students...

2007-10-10 12:14:28 · answer #7 · answered by country_girl 6 · 1 0

No it is not time to crack down on those who dress goth. Just because someone dresses goth doesn't mean he or she is a bad person who can blow up a building or something. That is stereotyping and I am against stereotyping people.

By the way, I know two nice kids who dress goth who go to college and have great relationships with their families.

2007-10-10 12:05:45 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 3 1

how someone dresses reflects who they are....you can't stop someone from wearing what they want. That is dampering creativity and trying to make everyone the same. Fact is just because you wear something doesn't automatically make you someone else. Wearing cute skirts and pink all the time is defined as prep while wearing black and big pants is goth....why must we define our nation by what we wear instead of who WE are. And WE are nothing to brag about if our country is classified by clothes

2007-10-10 12:06:33 · answer #9 · answered by J 2 · 3 1

I think the newssources desperately need to put their own spin on things, in order to be different from the other newscasts. And the "spin" is usually completely bogus.

Clothing does not determine the person you "truly" are. And everyone has their own definition of what "goth" truly means.

2007-10-10 12:05:03 · answer #10 · answered by Lily Iris 7 · 2 1

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