Is the "liberal=Islam" and "Christian=victim" just a cheap excuse for a GOP that cant win a war?

Question

I think its time for some clarity on this site. Enough already with the right-wing counterpart of blatant pornography.

We never should have went into Iraq in the first place, thats obvious. Now that's its a raging mess the declining GOP is out of tricks,out of wedge issues, and out of time.

Now, as a last-ditch effort to stay in the game, the Republicans are like "Well, you liberals WANTED us to lose, and you LOVE our enemies".

Really? And no-one notices how childish and flimsy that argument is for not accepting responsibility for your staunch partisan alignment with Bush in 2003, even if some Democrats were scared into voting for this war? Sure

Please. This tripe wouldnt be so sad were it not for our drained military,increased US troop casuality, and a sinking GOP that bet all its chips on Rove's design to crush the Democratic party, which has in turn backfired

Now the reactionaries turn to the internet for solace.Can they admit blaming those against the war is wrong?

Answer 1

As far as it goes, you're right--it is a cheap excuse for the right-wing failures.

But it goes deeper than that. The religious right, specifically, has a built in paranoia. Thisis important to understanding them. Take the attempt to equate Islam and liberalism (which is ridiculous). In the first place, so what---the overwhelming majority of Muslims are fine people--and the exptremists are like all extremists anywhere, intolerant, fanatical, and violent if given the opportunity.

But--remember the "your either with us or against us" slogan? The religious right doesn't simply say this--they believe it. Anyone not fully in support of their ideology--political or religious--is automatically "THEM"--and an enemy. In their minds, there really is not a distinction between a liberal, a Muslim, or anyone else who does not share their ideas.

And--if you follow the logic, you'll see the same is true of the "Christian as victim" script. By their way of thinking, any "THEM" is a potential enemy--even non-right wing Christians (whom they do not regard as '"true" Christians"). They--and they alone--are "special to God." And as such, they believe others--and by their logic, ANY others, hate them. Hence the rhetoric about "'THEY' are out to estroy our way of life,'" and so on.

And this plays out in things like complaints that they are being persecuted because the courts won't allow them to sue state facitlities to promote their particular brand of Christianity--that their "freedom of religion" is thereby being violated. Or that people who criticize them or their positions are "denying them the right of free speech." And so on.

My point is this: most of these people on the far right are not simply making this stuff up as an excuse (though their leaders are)--the really pathetic truth is that they are being entirely siincere-they really believe what tey are saying. Think about what I said--and no doubt you can add a few more exampees yourself. The whole world-view is irrational--but its internal consistancy is the proof that its not just rhetoric-to thm, its real.

Answer 2

"Islam = liberal" really couldn't be further off the mark. Islam can be a very opressive religion, and extremely resistant to change - anything but 'liberal' by any honest definition of the word.

I think what causes confusion is that American Liberals are so concerned with opposing American Conservatives that they effectively take the side of anyone those Conservatives attack (litterally or figuratively or, even, only in the minds of said liberals). Thus, they may act as apologists for Islam, even though radical Islam is even more antagonistic to liberal ideals than is the American brand of conservatism. And, that can be misconstrued as liberals having something in common with Islam.

As to "Christian = victim" that is certainly the case, some of the time. From the early days of the religion, when they were persecuted by Romans, to the extermination of African Christians by Arab Muslims in Sudan, today.

Answer 3

I like it but it is just a half truth Maybe the libs slogan should be "no common sense"

Answer 4

Is this a question or an incoherent diatribe of meaningless gobelty ****?

You should think through and ask more clear and concise questions.

Now you do sympathize with the Islamists - just admit it and stop whining.


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Answer 5

if we pull the troops out of Iraq lets pull them out of every single country we are in now including our bases in Europe and lets see how the world handles that and also lets cut off all aid to other countries while we are at it lets go back to the morals and ideas before the Great War (that's WW1 for all you peeps that slept in history class) and proclaim ourselves independent from the worlds problems and lets pull out of the UN and make their headquarters public housing for the poor of this country lets send back all the people that have visas in this country including all the illegal too isolationism is the only way we should be leave the rest of the world to deal with its own problems otherwise lets finish the job that we started in Iraq

Answer 6

No, both are all of the Abrahamic religions promote the victim complex.

Answer 7

Unfortunately I am not convinced that the battle in Iraq is wrong when considering the future attack against Iran/Syria.

Bush and co. probably did knowingly lie to get in there but there are two things to consider here.

1. Saddam had to go. We did that already, we won in that aspect.

2. Based on the fact that we have known for quite a while that we are going to eventually have to confront Iran, I believe this occupation has been deliberately protracted to enable us to use Iraq from which to base our battle against Iran and Syria in the near future. Using Iraq there are no hostile territories over which our attack aircraft must pass. Furthermore it provides safe bases from which to deploy our ground forces. Iraq is the best strategic bet…

Answer 8

I fail to see the question but rather a childish rant with no facts or proof Because others have different opinions does not mean they are wrong


And the libs in congress said they were tricked into voting for the war What a sorry excuse and lack of personal responsibility

Answer 9

Yes. The war is pointless and stupid. By the way, not all Muslims are terrorists y'a know.

Answer 10

No.