Does the front page of yahoo now have one of the most DISHONEST liberal articles of all time?

Question

The content editors at yahoo have always been dishonest leftists. This is merely further proof.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071010/ap_on_re_us/public_private_schools

From the article: "While the finding is in line with a handful of recent studies, it's AT ODDS WITH A LARGER BODY of research over the years that has found private-school students outperform those in public schools. Some of that research found a private-school advantage even when income levels are taken into account.
However, the new study not only compared students by income levels but also looked at a range of other family characteristics, such as whether a parent PARTICIPATES in school life"

So this study essentially gets the same results as otherr studies that ACTUALLY say that private schools kick-butt, BUT they throw in an extra constraint on the data that relates to PARENT PARTICIPATION which has absolutely NOTHING to do with public versus private.

Good heavens what an absolute JOKE. How on earth can a reporter like that even have a JOB? How on earth can a "legitimate" group release such a "study?"

THIS is how liberals grab a hold of bad ideas, it comes from DISHONEST and flawed data and studies. That is the reason why I stopped being a liberal.

vinster, yahoo CHOSE to place it prominently on their FRONT page.

spleen, please explain to me how parent participation should have ANYTHING to do with a study that purports to show the difference between public and private schools. That's like comparing apples and truck tires.

jurydoc, your lame insut aside, the LEADE of the story is this:
WASHINGTON - Low-income students who attend urban public high schools generally do just as well as private-school students with similar backgrounds, according to a study being released Wednesday."

This is patently dishonest. It is patently dishonest to represent the study as a comparision between public versus private when in actuality it is a study of parental participation versus NON-participation.

This is what the dishonest little lefties at yahoo have chosen for the headline on the front page:
"Study: Public and private school students test at same level"

Answer 1

I think what this clearly shows, is that depending on a persons political point of view that they will try to defend anything. As I read your answers I am somewhat dismayed by the fact, that when you point out the liberal bias included in the story, that that becomes irrelevant to the defenders of the article. This particular article includes extra restraints to get a result that is favorable to their particular debate and it is defended quite dramatically. It also points out in the article, that it only includes core curriculum courses test levels. What happens when we include pregnancy rates, drop out rates, and criminal activity? What happens when we point out that in Private schools it also provides many classes not offered in the Public Sector. Well a liberal will tell you that that is irrelevant because your comparing apples to oranges.

Answer 2

Several studies have shown more or less the same data. Private schools of course have a more select brand of student. For instance, several years ago I taught a public middle school history class. As an experiment I was allowed to send all of my problem kids along with the 'dumb kids' to a special class leaving only the hard workers and 'smart kids'. Shazam...grades went up as the number of trouble makers and boneheads went down. Of course doing that isn't exactly legal and I caught hell for it, but it proved my point. If public schools could be as selective as private schools there would be no problems....or if there was more money in the system and special military type schools for the kids raised by wolves or dope addled or the semi-criminal self-centered little bastards that now are a part of every class that would help as well. Certainly if you can afford a private school for your kid, provided it doesn't go out of business during the school year and it isn't a scam and it employs certified teachers and staff, go for it. Or, at a much lower overall cost you can attempt to change the way public schools are restrained in how they deal with trouble makers....but that would cost a few bucks so it isn't going to happen.

Answer 3

A good friend of mine is a public school teacher who was educated in private schools. According to her, public education is at least 2 grades behind the private school curriculum. This is b/s. She gets reprimanded for being too tough on students, and was actually dragged into the Principal's office for sending a kid down to the Principal's office. The kid had not done a single homework assignment, and his mother called to complain about the "unfair" treatment her poor little angel was subjected to. This is the dumbing down of America (and it's a from a fear of being sued by people like that). Nice, huh? True story.

As far as the study, Children everywhere have the intelligence. It has little to do with wealth. Problem is parents need to be involved, and too many are not. Education tends to breed success, and successful people believe in education.

Answer 4

if you would read slower, you might understand what you are reading.
from the article...
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a couple of things stand out to intelligent people here...
1) when income and other family characteristics were taken into account
2)according to the study by the nonpartisan Center on Education Policy

These two things alone give me a vast amount of insight into this report.
a. that they didn't just study rich schools vs public schools, which makes the study more accurate, because to compare highly funded schools to poorly funded schools would be, in essence, comparing apples to oranges, unless the purpose, is to show how funding differences contribute to the outcome of education.
b. that this is no way near any kind of partisan lie
and
c. you need to slow down when you read, or read the entire article....might help you to not be so easily misled.

Answer 5

The first line of the article got me, I immediately knew the article was big time BS.
"Low-income students who attend urban public high schools generally do just as well as private-school students with similar backgrounds, according to a study being released Wednesday. "
Are there such things are "Low-income" private school students. It's possible I guess, but Low-income private and Low-income urban/public are two different classes.

Answer 6

Parents have a lot to do with a students success. Early on, they insist on effective study habits, insist on following rules, insist on consistent attendance, insist on effort, and work hand in hand with the teacher if there is any problem in one of those areas listed.

Now take into consideration what happens on the opposite end of the spectrum. The lazy parent never completed high school, does not get their kid to bed on time, does not insist on homework completion, knows the school will feed their kid breakfast and lunch, and when the kid acts up, raises hell with the teacher and principal when called in to help out.

This isn't rocket science.

Answer 7

What ever U do at this arena is a form of chit-chat and is for pass-time value. Others that take it to teach or learn or exchange of experiences for value added......anything wrong? If U want to frame it to the wrong, it can be done in many ways.... 'do business and getting people to participate.....a form of advertisement'. When U want to do something, just make up a reason for it.....just like the lawyer's doing.

Answer 8

Wow, your lack of analytical skills in reading research summaries is astounding. "Throwing in" parent participation and discussions was not an attempt to "constrain" the study, it was an attempt to control for influences that, since they possibly correlated with type of school, could confound the results. From the article, "In trying to determine whether the type of high school attended by a student made a difference academically, the new study tried to separate out the effects of income; earlier eighth-grade test scores; parental expectations; whether parents discuss school with their children and whether parents participate in school activities."

This is the ESSENCE of good research.

EDIT: No, it is a comparison of public school vs. private school CONTROLLING FOR PARENTAL INVOLVEMENT. It says, in essence, that parental involvement is the critical variable, NOT the type of school. Hence, ALL OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL (i.e., "with similar backgrounds" in the opening sentence) type of school does not influence performance in school academically.

Answer 9

First of all, calm down hate-filled Con...It's not good for your health.

Second of all, the article is from the AP, one of the largest news wire agencies on the globe. Sorry to burst your Yahoo = Liberal theory there...

And thirdly, parental involvement is easily linked to the public v. private debate. If you can't see how, then there's no use explaining it to you.

Answer 10

It's an Associated Press article, not a Yahoo article.