the Son have?
I heard about this. If true, is this a legitimate argument?
2007-10-09 13:24:10 · 4 answers · asked by Nina, BaC 7 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Moises_Frias: Psalm 8:3 Your heavens, the work of your Fingers: The Heavens are created by God ( Pss 33:6, 9 , 102:25, 136:5 ) The anthropopomorphism " Your fingers" miniaturizes the magnitude of the universe in the presence of Creator.
2007-10-09 13:51:38 · update #1
Luke 11:20: With the finger of God: In Exodus 8:9 the phony magicians of Egypt were forced to confess that Moses' miracles were genuine works of God, not mee trickery such as they had performed. Here, Jesus made a similar comparisonbetween His exorcism and the work of the Jewish exorcists.
2007-10-09 13:55:50 · update #2
Jehovah's Witnesses at times wonder aloud at the fact that both the Father (Jehovah God) and the Son (Jesus Christ) have names, while the Holy Spirit does not, but that is hardly a line of reasoning on which they depend to conclude that the holy spirit is not a person.
The Scriptures clearly teach that the Holy Spirit is NOT a person, but an impersonal thing or quality. Here are two obvious lines of reasoning...
1. People are NOT filled with other people; they are filled with impersonal QUALITIES:
(Luke 1:41) Elizabeth was filled with holy spirit
(Luke 2:40) filled with wisdom
(Luke 4:28) became filled with anger
(Luke 5:26) they became filled with fear
(Luke 6:11) they became filled with madness
(Acts 3:10) they became filled with astonishment
(Acts 5:17) Sadducees, rose and became filled with jealousy
(Acts 19:29) the city became filled with confusion
2. Logical connections
Here the impersonal thing Holy Spirit is connected with the impersonal thing "power":
(Acts 10:38) God anointed him with holy spirit and power
Here the impersonal thing Holy Spirit is connected with the impersonal thing "joy":
(Acts 13:52) the disciples continued to be filled with joy and holy spirit
The Scriptures apply anthroporphic qualities to many impersonal things. Trinitarians are required to believe that the Holy Spirit is a person, but literally *ALL* of their so-called "proofs" that the Holy Spirit is a person fail in the light of the entire bible. Here are lines of reasoning that expose the unscripturality of the arguments which pretend that the Holy Spirit is a person.
Comparing these two Scriptures (which describe the identical event) helps explain that the Holy Spirit can be thought of as "God's finger".
(Luke 11:20) If it is by means of God's finger I expel the demons, the kingdom of God has really overtaken YOU. . .
(Matthew 12:28) If it is by means of God’s spirit that I expel the demons, the kingdom of God has really overtaken YOU.
Can a person's finger be "hurt" (or "grieved")? Obviously.
(Isaiah 63:10) They themselves rebelled and made his holy spirit [or "God's finger"] feel hurt
(Ephesians 4:30) Also, do not be grieving God's holy spirit [or "God's finger"]
The Scriptures often personify impersonal things or qualities:
(Luke 7:35) wisdom is proved righteous by all its children
(Romans 5:14) death ruled as king
(Romans 5:21) sin ruled as king
Referring to the "mind" or governing principles of an inanimate thing does not make it a person; neither does referring to a thing's "heart" or core make it a person:
(Matthew 12:40) the heart of the earth
(Exodus 15:8) the heart of the sea
(2 Samuel 18:14) the heart of the big tree
(Deuteronomy 4:11, footnote) the heart of the heavens
The Scriptures clarify that actual PERSONS spoke ON BEHALF OF the Holy Spirit:
(Acts 4:25) holy spirit said by the mouth of our forefather David...
(Acts 28:25) The holy spirit aptly spoke through Isaiah the prophet
(Matthew 10:20) it is the spirit of your Father that speaks by you
Other nonpersons 'testify' or 'bear witness':
(1 John 5:7,8) there are three witness bearers, the spirit and the water and the blood
Arguments pretending that a person can "fill" another person are based on pagan witchcraft and Babylonish mysticism. The Scriptures consistently show that only nonpersonal qualities can "fill" a person. Jehovah's Witnesses are unlikely to trade their Scriptural true worship for witchcraft and Trinitarian false worship; apostasy such as trinitarianism was foretold in the bible.
(2 Thessalonians 2:1-3) We request of you not to be quickly shaken from your reason... the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed
(2 Peter 2:1) there will also be false teachers among you. These very ones will quietly bring in destructive sects
Finally, if trinitarians are true Christians, why do they ignore Christ's command that each Christian must preach?
(2 Timothy 4:3-5) For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the healthful teaching, but, in accord with their own desires, they will accumulate teachers for themselves to have their ears tickled; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, whereas they will be turned aside to false stories. You, though, keep your senses in all things, suffer evil, do the work of an evangelizer, fully accomplish your ministry.
(Matthew 28:19,20) Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded
Learn more:
http://watchtower.org/e/ti/index.htm?article=article_07.htm
http://watchtower.org/e/ti/index.htm?article=article_08.htm
http://watchtower.org/e/ti/
http://watchtower.org/e/20020515/
http://watchtower.org/e/20050422/article_02.htm
2007-10-10 00:01:33 · answer #1 · answered by achtung_heiss 7 · 1⤊ 0⤋
The name of the son : Jesus (Luke 1.31)
The name of the father: Jehovah (Luke 1:32 and Psalms 83:18)
The name of the holy spirit or fingers of God : ?
2007-10-09 20:31:03 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 1⤋
Jehovah’s Witnesses reject the Trinity, believing Jesus to be a created being and the Holy Spirit to essentially be the power of God.
2007-10-09 20:30:48 · answer #3 · answered by Freedom 7 · 2⤊ 1⤋
The Holy Spirit is Jesus Christ resurrected.
The name of the Holy Spirit doesn't really matter because the Holy Spirit comes to the people God Almighty chooses. What does matter in getting to know and building a relationship with the Holy Spirir is the teachings that Holy Spirit insructs with the person.
I had a dream about the Holy Spirit a fews years back:
In the dream I was wrestling with the Holy Spirit. We were doing a move where I was on His back and He was going to roll me over His back. Of to the west there was a tree with a big ugly snake, the snake started coming down towards me and was going to kill me. I tried getting off the Holy Spirits back so I could kill the snake. The Holy Spirit wouldn't let me up, but I kept trying and He wouldn't let me up no matter what I did. I showed Him that there was a huge snake coming down from the tree to kill me, right as the snake was about to bite me the Holy Spirit turned around and killed it for me. ~
In that dream the Holy Spirit was teaching me how to fight in my dreams. Whenever I have something bothering me, I will use those moves that the Holy Spirit taught me in my prayers. The moves work like a charm everytime.
Holy Spirit
When I was about 12 or 13, I was having hard troubled times.
One day, my mother and I had gotten into an arguement and she left the house. I was in tears, and couldn't help myself but cry. I went in her room and layed on her bed, and just cried and cried as loud as I could. I had felt that she nevers listens to me. I had been feeling for a long period of time before that, that I had a desire to kill myself.
I got up off of her bed, and I went into the kitchen. I sat on the counter next to the refigerator and got a bottle of pills to take. I didnt care what they were. I took as many as I could, and when I felt I was satisfied I got off of the counter and went in my room to go to sleep. I went into my room and layed on my bed to fall asleep. I was getting irritated because I wasn't able to fall asleep. So I got up and went into the kitchen again and I got a plastic bag. I went back into my room and layed on my bed. As I was laying on my bed I tried to suffocate myself. I didn't like how losing my breath in a slow manner felt so I stopped.
After I stopped, I started to cry even more because of the pain I was in. There was broken glass on my bed from my breaking into the house a few weeks earlier. I reached under me, and got a piece of glass to cut my wrist. I was sliding the glass back and forth on my arms. Finally when I was about to cut my wrist. The Holy Spirit comes to me from the east. He grabs my arms and tells me, "Don't, you are someone special." In that time I quit what I was doing, and I was able to cry myself to sleep.
I haven't ever had the thought to kill myself again since that time as a young girl.
I have known the Holy Spirit for most of my life. To look at me and judge me the way it has been done I am sure the Holy Spirit isn't to pleased about this because they have been my guidence for many manyy years and is still with me today. I am sure without a doubt they are watching and keeping record of what is going on in my life right now.
One thing is for sure is that I have been laughed at, taunted, criticized, turned away, beaten up, and tormented becuase of the Holy Spirits teachings. That I know is something is unforgivable when the Holy Spirit sees this kind of behaviour in people. I am sure the Holy Spirit knows this as wickedness in people. I love the Holy Spirit with all that I am in my soul, mind, and spirit.
DON'T ANYONE EVER FORGET THAT!
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2007-10-09 20:38:35 · answer #4 · answered by white_painted_lady 5 · 0⤊ 5⤋