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2007-10-09 11:58:15 · 19 answers · asked by cristoiglesia 7 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

Schneb- Very good work.

2007-10-09 12:20:39 · update #1

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"With regard to despair, every appetitive movement that is conformed to a false intellect, is evil in itself and sinful. Now presumption is an appetitive movement, since it denotes an inordinate hope. Moreover it is conformed to a false intellect, just as despair is: for just as it is false that God does not pardon the repentant, or that He does not turn sinners to repentance, so is it false that He grants forgiveness to those who persevere in their sins, and that He gives glory to those who cease from good works: and it is to this estimate that the movement of presumption is conformed." - St. Thomas Aquinas ("Summa Theologica" 13th century A.D.)

The false doctrine of "Once Saved, Always Saved" seems to have blossomed with Fundamentalist Christians although it's origins date back to 16th century Calvinism. The perfect example of how this doctrine is false is Judas Iscariot. He believed in Jesus Christ, walked with Him, was one of the Twelve and was given the same powers from Him as the others. Yet what Christian believes that Judas Iscariot went to Heaven? According to this doctrine, I would say Fundamentalist Christians would have to believe Judas is in Heaven as he more than met the requirements of salvation according to this doctrine

2007-10-09 12:10:34 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 2 2

Think about what you were save from. If your state if mind was what was causing you to be in broken fellowship with God, then you fix that by accepting the message of Christ, If you do that, then what can cause you to loose your salvation? You can choose to walk away, and that is quite different. That means you turn your back on God's way and do what ever your flesh tells you. I find that to be nearly impossible unless you fall for some disception that pulls you into the abyss. If you decide to worship another God after you have been fully instructed in the Truth then there is no recovery . That is the unforgivable sin. I find that impossible if you do your maintanance., and have everything that God has made for you to walk in this strange place called Earth. On the other hand is it strange at all if you are looking through God's eyes, nad is it part of the plan?

2007-10-09 19:11:57 · answer #2 · answered by happylife22842 4 · 0 2

No. The Apostle Paul didn't think so.

Time and again Paul likens the Christian’s course to a “race” that must be run to the finish. “Let us run with patience the race that is set before us,” he urged the Hebrews. (12:1, AV) To enter the race, sinners must take the steps necessary for salvation: hearing and accepting the Word of God, believing in Jesus Christ and his ransom sacrifice, repenting of their sins and being baptized. In this way, they get saved “from this crooked generation,” as Peter exhorted those gathered at Pentecost. Unbelievers are outside the race, having failed to enter by getting “saved.”Acts 2:37-40.

Once entered in the race by being “saved,” a Christian takes “hold of the life which is life indeed.” But is it possible to lose that grip on life? Paul answers with this question: “Do you not know that in a race all the runners compete, but only one receives the prize?” In the Christian race, Paul indicates the “one” who receives the prize is anyone who finishes the race. Therefore, Paul urges, “So run that you may obtain it.” Then, using himself as an example to make the point of his illustration, he continues: “I pommel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified.” 1 Tim. 6:19.

Evidently the apostle, who surely was a “saved” Christian, believed that even he could be “disqualified” from the race. Yet as long as he continued to ‘run that he might obtain’ the prize, thus remaining in the race, salvation was assured. This is why Christians who remain in the race can be said to ‘have everlasting life.’ But if they should ever quit the race, they are “disqualified,” losing their hold on everlasting life.

2007-10-09 19:59:46 · answer #3 · answered by BJ 7 · 2 1

Yes. John 6 and John 10 both make it perfectly clear that God is absolutely sovereignty in our salvation. All that the father gives to the son will come to the son without fail. If a person is NOT given to the son by the father thenthey CANNOT come to Jesus. So it's all up to the Father. Since the Father cannot fail, a person's salvation is assured.

2007-10-09 19:08:40 · answer #4 · answered by Jonathan 7 · 3 3

No. 1 Cor.9:27 (The Apostle Paul is speaking) But keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I my self should be a castaway.
2 Tim. 4:1-5 I charge thee therefore befor God, andthe Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick (living) and the dead at his appering and his kingdom: Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound dostrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables (fiction) But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full (complete) proof of thy ministry.
1 Cor. 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed(care) lest he fall.
Heb. 6:4-6 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world (age) to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
2 Peter 2:20-22 For if after they have escaped the pollutions(sins) of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Cgrist, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn(turn away)from the holy commandment deliverd unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire(mud).

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2007-10-09 19:51:24 · answer #5 · answered by pappyg 6 · 2 1

Yap! But must be Born Again to truly understand else, you wouldn't believe! John 3:7.

John 10:28-29, supported by Romans 8:33-35 so many Scriptures supporting the doctrines of "Once Saved Always Saved" but like i said you must be Born Again in order to see the truth that it is supported by God's Holy Words.
John 17:9
Psalms 103:10-13.
Ephesians 1;14; 4:30;
1Corinthians 1:8
1Corinthians 1:30
2Corinthians 1:22
Romans 8:1; 8:10; 8;37-39
Jude 1:1; Jude 1:24
Psalms 32:2
Titus 3:5
There are many more that can support the Doctrine of "Once Saved Always Saved"

For the main thing is the infilling by the Holy Spirit of God: "Born Again in Holy Spirit of God"
2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
2Co 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Therefore, salvation belongs to God; Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

So, how can one loses his/her salvation for salvation is of the LORD?Lam 3:26 It is good that a man should both hope and quietly wait for the salvation of the LORD. Jon 2:9 But I will sacrifice unto thee with the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay that that I have vowed. Salvation is of the LORD. AMEN

2007-10-09 19:54:57 · answer #6 · answered by Ephesians 2:8 4 · 1 2

Only if a fundamentalist, Evangelical Protestant is standing on a stack of Bibles proclaiming this fallacy.

2007-10-09 19:13:40 · answer #7 · answered by Midge 7 · 1 1

Not at all.

Scripture teaches that one’s final salvation depends on the state of the soul at death. As Jesus himself tells us, "He who endures to the end will be saved" (Matt. 24:13; cf. 25:31–46). One who dies in the state of friendship with God (the state of grace) will go to heaven. The one who dies in a state of enmity and rebellion against God (the state of mortal sin) will go to hell.

Christ did die on the cross once for all and has entered into the holy place in heaven to appear before God on our behalf. Christ has abundantly provided for our salvation, but that does not mean that there is no process by which this is applied to us as individuals. Obviously, there is, or we would have been saved and justified from all eternity, with no need to repent or have faith or anything else. We would have been born "saved," with no need to be born again. Since we were not, since it is necessary for those who hear the gospel to repent and embrace it, there is a time at which we come to be reconciled to God. And if so, then we, like Adam and Eve, can become unreconciled with God and, like the prodigal son, need to come back and be reconciled again with God, after having left his family.


The New Testament teaches us that genuine assurance is possible and desirable, but it also warns us that we can be deceived through a false assurance. Jesus declared: ‘Not everyone who says to me, "Lord, Lord" shall enter the kingdom of heaven’ (Matt. 7:21)."

2007-10-09 19:03:40 · answer #8 · answered by SpiritRoaming 7 · 4 3

No. Jesus said " “Exert yourselves vigorously to get in through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will seek to get in but will not be able.”—Luke 13:24
The apostle Paul Used the example of the Israelites who were saved through the Red Sea, yet fell to wrongdoing in the wilderness, he warned: “We [“saved” Christians] must not put the Lord to the test.” Then, driving his point home, he declared: “Let any one who thinks that he stands take heed lest he fall.” Yes, it could happen, even to “saved” ones!—1 Cor. 10:1-12

2007-10-09 19:06:47 · answer #9 · answered by conundrum 7 · 3 4

No.


Matt 18:23-34

Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants.
And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents.
But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.
The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt.
But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest.
And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt.
So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done.
Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.

2007-10-09 19:01:39 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 3 3

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