does this mean the flying spaghetti monster is real? everything that exists had to have a creator. the universe exists. thus it must have had a creator. creationists theorize that god must have created the universe. but they can't tell you what created god. i believe in order for god to exist he had to have had a creator as well. therefore the flying spaghetti monster must be real. the flying spaghetti monster does not have to follow the rule of existence though because it is made up. therefore it does not exist. so it stands to reason that the only thing that could create something which does not have a creator is something that doesn't exist. prove me wrong...
2007-10-09 10:57:02 · 26 answers · asked by just curious (A.A.A.A.) 5 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
i'm with you 777 god had no beginning because god does not exist... and he has no end because he would have to exist in the first place in order for that to happen. how can i disprove that? it's perfect logic. thanks...
2007-10-09 11:04:37 · update #1
bd... your teacher was (possibly still is) an idiot... all of math is based on the given assumption that 1 always equals 1. everything else is based on that assumption. where do we get that assumption? common sense i guess...
2007-10-09 11:08:10 · update #2
and don't forget to mention the noodle prophet ......
anyway, quantum physics shows matter can be created spontaneously out of nothing on nuclei level in particle colliders as a proof of big bang , but god has never been proven anyway
2007-10-09 10:59:42 · answer #1 · answered by mega_mover 4 · 2⤊ 1⤋
Well what do you believe created the universe. Because you obviously believe we were created by something and couldn't have possibly just happened. God has always been and will always be. I can't make you believe anything b/c it takes faith and someone who doesn't have faith cannot truly understand it. As you said "everything that exists has to have a creator. the universe exists, thus is must have a had a creator." If you think that something had to create God than what created the thing that created God?
2007-10-09 18:02:49 · answer #2 · answered by dutchbride 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
I would have to say going by this argument the flying spaghetti monster is not real. I doubt something that doesn't exist could be the creator of anything.
Also, If the flying spaghetti monster created God, then it most likely would be more complex than God. Therefore, Its likely less probably to be real than God. Since both are extremely improbable, it leads to the fact that neither exists. But I see Your point.
Besides, None of this matters because I have FAITH in the flying spaghetti monster, so I know its real :-). RAmen!
2007-10-09 18:15:31 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
Your logic is unassailable, provided the premise is true (i.e., "everything that exists had to have a creator"). So, yes, if someone believes the premise, then they must believe one of two things: either that God was directly or indirectly created by a nonexistent creator-creator, possibly the Flying Spaghetti Monster (I believe it can be proven that all nonexistent entities are functionally equivalent, so any name other than "Flying Spaghetti Monster" would work as well), or that God is in fact the nonexistent creator.
2007-10-09 18:08:41 · answer #4 · answered by igglydooble 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Dude god was created a long time ago humans need to be ruled otherwise they will burn out there own existence they need to be governed and god is just an overrated folk law never before been seen or herd he gives hope to a race of people who are developing way to fast as some humans are evolving allot quicker than others god is used to compensate and to ease there fear so that people believe that everything is happening for a reason .bull we are the first here and there is only us we are the beginning there is no aliens or monsters just us no good and evil or god or devil Hmmm just look how good and evil are spelt you can see where god and devil came from ....it did not take them long to come up with them names!!
2007-10-09 18:20:18 · answer #5 · answered by wopski 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Hello Just curious. It is very hard for mortals to comprehend the nature of God and divinity. I will do the best to entertain your question:
God does not exist within the bounds of perceivable time and space. Time is truly, a relative concept which is inherent in time-space mortals' perception of experience. You can look at God much like you could an infinite circle, an ever-evolving, ever experiencing being which "IS." It takes a big stretch of the imagination for mankind to understand this. That which we comprehend as God exists within a different dimmension beyond the 3 dimensions mankind is so familiar with. Time is not a relevant factor. It is only a factor for the inherent comprehension of completing supreme values and personalization. Time and space enable the mortal mind to possess a sense of identity and individuality as you progress through each moment in time, attempting to comprehend your own nature, that of the nature of God. The nature of what you might identify as soul or spirit is also not necessarily bound by the same rules of time and space. It is very true, you can be a different expression of self in an entirely different space at the same or different time. This expression, is in fact, what you might call God. It goes without saying, when they say God knows everything, this is in fact, not far from the truth so long as you look to God as a being who IS (I am who I am) - a being who truly is infinite.
I suspect, as you and other progress in the journey, you will come to understand these concepts better including that of your own divine origin. I hope this helps. I will be happy to enterain future questions you may have.
2007-10-09 18:15:55 · answer #6 · answered by Joe F 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Evolution! No one alive or dead can prove that all things were created. To be created, someone or something did the creating, and since no one can prove there was a creator, then the world and the universe was an evolution.
2007-10-09 18:03:14 · answer #7 · answered by !truth! 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Funny I used to use that same argument when taking Geometry in school. They taught that something was proven by theorems, and those theorems were proved by other theorems. My question was what was the first theorem and who made it up and what facts were used to prove them? Never Did get an answer! The teacher just told me I was disrupting the class!
2007-10-09 18:02:35 · answer #8 · answered by B. D Mac 6 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Sure, why not? I means as long as we're making up ridiculous stuff anyway, like "Complex things imply a creator, but we conveniently don't have to apply the same logic to God's existence".
2007-10-09 18:01:14 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 1⤋
What is God?. If God is omnipotent then how can we possibly understand what God is? Isn't it an insult to try and write down what God wants or needs from us when we are so far beneath him/her/it?
What came first, The Word or The Bang?
2007-10-09 18:02:59 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
Wow, that's horrible logic. But if something created God then that would mean God wasn't God ...see what I'm saying. God is and always will be. Everything that's created has an end ...God has no end, thus He was never created. He's just as alive today as He was yesterday.
2007-10-09 18:00:54 · answer #11 · answered by zero_or_die77 3 · 1⤊ 2⤋