Well....Why aren't we more Specific?

Question

If we have to live with people hurling accusations at each other - well...why aren't they more specific about it?

I am referring to the Ultra-Agressive portions of the two great superpowers of R&S - who both claim logic and reason being on their side.

More often than not - both slices of each group make outlandish claims about the other and care not about making any sort of distinctions whatsoever.

Every Christian is an idiot, every Atheist is Immoral. Blah blah blah. When did (not)believing in something make you anti- ___? That doesn't even logically follow.

Do you of the radical Christians really believe in some sort of bizzare atheist conspiracy against your God? Do you think all of them cackle gleefully at you downfall?

Do you aggressive atheists honestly believe that all Christians are at the root/source of strife and evil in the world? I mean - even the Coptic monk out in the middle of the desert?

I would like to think you all can grasp nuances.

If so - then why not utilize that? Why the grand brushstroke?

Of course, someone is going to make a snarky comment about this not being serious, or "Hahaha..Praise the Lord" or whatever else.

If that's the case - then what's the point?

Saip - Well its not like i'm going to get them to stop right?

I mean - how many times do you see "You Atheists" followed by the "I don't do/beleive that."

Followed by " You Christians" followed by "Err....yeah we don't do that."

And its a part rant, sure - but its still a question - Why aren't just more specific about who we go after when we debate? Instead of "damning" (for lack of a better word) the whole group?

Meat - Is this still justification for condemning the whole group?

What is this? "Kill them all and let God sort them out" logic?

Neil S - Did i ask you to stop fighting? No. I didn't say that at all.

But you cast your net far too wide in your condemnations.

To take a line from current news: "Bomb the Civilians to attack the Terrorists?"

Furthermore - you an Atheist! Logic, Order, and Reason are your banners!

The expectation would be that Percision would follow with that!

Wow - the ratio of comments was definately not what i expected.

I would have sworn Wave 1 would have shown up my door with Bibles in hand first to give me my lecture....

Demetri - The Original set of Comments in Additions was the Continuation of the Question.

Everything else are reactions addressed to comments made.

Neil - I'm confused then.

"To stick with your analogy, their are no Abrahamic "civilians". faith hinders scientific and political progress, whether the faithful are actual terrorists or not."

That pretty much sounds like a total war scenario to me. You've identified a whole category/class of people to target as they hinder science - with a goal of Convert/Eliminate.

In which case - then doesn't the Coptic Monk in the desert, the Nestorian Christian in India, and that dude down the block from you whose a Christian but doesn't really talk about his faith...

..aren't they all technically on the hitlist since there are no civilizans?

Answer 1

Actually the battle is between theists and anti-theists. Atheists by definition are fairly neutral. The word literally means without theism. So even if someone claims to be atheist then claims to 'know' there is no god for instance they have drifted off into anti-theism.

An 'aggressive atheist' is almost certainly in defensive mode fending off someone else's attack. Or possibly replying to insults or even just correcting the repeated and determined misdefining and miscategorization of atheists and atheism.

So yes let's be more specific. The prefix 'a' simply means not or without.

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Who are you directing your question to in the Additional Details?

Answer 2

I tend to generally include the words "some" and "most" instead of "all" in my statements. The times when I do mean all, I exclude those qualifiers. No, I don't think they're all the cause of all the worlds problems, but I do think that their religion does have a compounding effect on problems of social significance, along with other "members only" religions. Without the "members only" mentallity that makes them believe that everyone that doesn't believe as they do is wrong, I'd have no problem with the religion. If they can accept that they don't own the world and are not right to try to make everyone believe as they do, or even that their religion has all the answers to everything and is perfect in every way, then much progress can be made to make the world a slightly better place.

Again, they aren't the cause of all problems, or even most. They just add problems that wouldn't exist if their religion held slightly different (read: less antisocial) views.

Answer 3

Do I have to deal with Coptic monks? Are they voting their ignorance? Abrahamic belief cannot stand to reason, so it follows that reason is lacking in those that believe these myths. The inability (or blatant unwillingness) to see past the lies of these religions is troublesome; it indicates a dangerous tendency to be convinced even in spite of evidence. That's what the Hitler's of the world count on. So, specifically, as long as the anti-intellectual Abrahamic believers are treated as if their opinion on ANYTHING should count as much as a rational person, a fight will come from me.

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To stick with your analogy, their are no Abrahamic "civilians". faith hinders scientific and political progress, whether the faithful are actual terrorists or not.

Answer 4

I am a Christian.
I do not believe there is an Atheistic conspiracy.
I think some people on all sides are being ruder in their posts then they would ever be in person.
No one group is immoral.
No one group is responsible for the trouble in the world.
I agree with you!

Answer 5

Often we forget to use vague or limiting words like "some". Although this is somewhat justified by the problems with getting gays (marriage etc) equal treatment, or the apparent disregard of scientific fact and confusion over why creationism isn't science.

Answer 6

Of course we grasp nuance, but Yahoo doesn't provide enough space for a question to go into that. Nobody would read it if I had to qualify everything I said and make huge posts. We know everyone isn't the same. To us that's obvious. We assume you're smart enough to know that we know it.

Answer 7

Snarky.... I like that word!
Um, what exactly is the question. Seriously it sounds more like a little rant. It seems you are asking people to be more specific in their attacking each other.... does it really matter how specific an attack is? An attack is an attack.

Answer 8

Christians don't claim logic, they claim faith... and atheists have a monopoly on Common Sense

Answer 9

Hallelujah ! Praise the Lord .

Answer 10

We know God and he know,s us ,so who are atheist to say
I am stupid or not educated, insult,s will not change us and
they can mock God all they want,they will answer for it
not me.