Jesus as God in the flesh, for the JW's:?

Question

Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.

I think Thomas the apostle said it all there

thanks

You can't claim the NWT as the only bible that is unadulterated

it was written in the 1950's

new world is short for new world order

where the pope will establish himself as the antichrist, and cause all to worship on sunday, that is his mark, god's mark is saturday, which is why he tells us to remember his sabbaths as these will be a sign between him and us

and in revelations he asks for those that have that sign on their forheads to be caught up with him

You remeber with your head, and do work with your hands, which is why he asks us to do no work on that day

The mark of the beast is received on your hand or your head, depending if you think like the beast or are forced into follwing him through fear

Answer 1

The matter of Jesus and Jehovah is discussed in the reference link at the end of this answer, but this seems a unique opportunity to comment on the name of the translation favored by most Jehovah's Witnesses:
"New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures".

Does the name refer to the ominous "new world order" purportedly planned by the enemies of civilization as we know it? No.

For many decades, Jehovah's Witnesses did not want to be considered a "religion", because of all the evil that had been associated with religion and religionists over the centuries. Instead, they regularly referred to their brotherhood as a "new world society" and eventually even began capitalizing the expression as though it were a formal title. By the 1950's, this expression even found its way into a film made by Jehovah's Witnesses, entitled "The New World Society in Action".
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0162492/

The reference to the "new world" had nothing to do with the western hemisphere "discovered" by Columbus in 1492, but refers to the people living in the post-Armageddon "new heavens and new earth" promised in the Scriptures. The phrase "world" was understood to encompass both heaven and earth, which would accurate describe the hope of Christians with both heavenly hopes and earthly hopes.

(Isaiah 65:17) For here I am creating new heavens and a new earth; and the former things will not be called to mind, neither will they come up into the heart.

(Isaiah 66:22) For just as the new heavens and the new earth that I am making are standing before me,” is the utterance of Jehovah, “so the offspring of you people and the name of you people will keep standing.”

(2 Peter 3:13) There are new heavens and a new earth that we are awaiting according to his promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell.

Learn more about the "new world":
http://watchtower.co.uk/e/rq/index.htm?article=article_05.htm
http://watchtower.co.uk/e/dg/index.htm?article=article_10.htm
http://watchtower.co.uk/e/lmn/index.htm?article=article_01.htm
http://watchtower.co.uk/e/ti/index.htm?article=article_09.htm

Learn more about Jesus and Jehovah:
http://watchtower.co.uk/e/ti/index.htm?article=article_05.htm
http://watchtower.co.uk/e/ti/index.htm?article=article_08.htm

Answer 2

Cathlic Crusader's answer is the best response to a question that I have EVER seen in Yahoo Answers. Good job!!!. By the way, I'm a Methodist.

Answer 3

The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus is God (cf. John 8:58, 10:38, 14:10; Col. 2:9). And yes, Jesus DID say he was God. In John 8:58, when quizzed about how he has special knowledge of Abraham, Jesus replies, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I Am"—invoking and applying to himself the personal name of God—"I Am" (Ex. 3:14). His audience understood exactly what he was claiming about himself. "So they took up stones to throw at him; but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple" (John 8:59). In John 5:18 we are told that Jesus’ opponents sought to kill him because he "called God his Father, making himself equal with God."

In John 20:28, Thomas falls at Jesus’ feet, exclaiming, "My Lord and my God!" (Greek: Ho Kurios mou kai ho Theos mou—literally, "The Lord of me and the God of me!")

Philippians 2:6 says that Jesus "who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped" (New International Version). So Jesus chose to be born in humble, human form though he could have simply remained in equal glory with the Father for he was "in very nature God."

Also significant are passages that apply the title "the First and the Last" to Jesus (Rev. 1:17). This is one of the Old Testament titles of Yahweh: "Thus says Yahweh, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, Yahweh of armies: ‘I am the First and I am the Last; besides me there is no god’" (Is. 44:6; cf. 41:4, 48:12).

This title is directly applied to Jesus three times in the book of Revelation: "When I saw him [Christ], I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand upon me, saying, ‘Fear not, I am the First and the Last’" (Rev. 1:17). "And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: ‘The words of the First and the Last, who died and came to life’" (Rev. 2:8). "Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense, to repay every one for what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the beginning and the end" (Rev. 22:12–13).

This last quote is especially significant since it applies to Jesus the parallel title "the Alpha and the Omega," which Revelation earlier applied to the Lord God: "‘I am the Alpha and the Omega,’ says the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty" (Rev. 1:8).

But did the early Christians believe this? YES! Here are some quotes:

Ignatius of Antioch: "Ignatius, also called Theophorus, to the Church at Ephesus in Asia . . . predestined from eternity for a glory that is lasting and unchanging, united and chosen through true suffering by the will of the Father in Jesus Christ our God" (Letter to the Ephesians 1 [A.D. 110]).

Aristides: "[Christians] are they who, above every people of the earth, have found the truth, for they acknowledge God, the Creator and maker of all things, in the only-begotten Son and in the Holy Spirit" (Apology 16 [A.D. 140]).

Clement of Alexandria: "The Word, then, the Christ, is the cause both of our ancient beginning—for he was in God—and of our well-being. And now this same Word has appeared as man. He alone is both God and man, and the source of all our good things" (Exhortation to the Greeks 1:7:1 [A.D. 190]).

Answer 4

I'm VERY HAPPY TO SEE That "You" Recognize that Jehovah's CHRISTIAN Witnesses are the XPERTS on the Subject of the Trinity !

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK ! ! !

Answer 5

And your question is ?

Jehovah's Witnesses keep the Sabbath mentioned at Hebrews chapter 3 &4.

We don't have a pope.

We worship 7 days a week.

As to what the first century christian taught:

J. N. D. Kelly, in his Early Christian Doctrines, writes about the view of Hermas regarding the Son of God:

“In a number of passages we read of an angel who is superior to the six angels forming God’s inner council, and who is regularly described as ‘most venerable’, ‘holy’, and ‘glorious’. This angel is given the name of Michael, and the conclusion is difficult to escape that Hermas saw in him the Son of God and equated him with the archangel Michael.”
“There is evidence also . . . of attempts to interpret Christ as a sort of supreme angel . . . Of a doctrine of the Trinity in the strict sense there is of course no sign.”

Dr. H. R. Boer, in his book A Short History of the Early Church, comments on the thrust of the Apologists’ teaching:

“Justin [Martyr] taught that before the creation of the world God was alone and that there was no Son. . . . When God desired to create the world, . . . he begot another divine being to create the world for him. This divine being was called . . . Son because he was born; he was called Logos because he was taken from the Reason or Mind of God. . . .
“Justin and the other Apologists therefore taught that the Son is a creature. He is a high creature, a creature powerful enough to create the world but, nevertheless, a creature. In theology this relationship of the Son to the Father is called subordinationism. The Son is subordinate, that is, secondary to, dependent upon, and caused by the Father. The Apologists were subordinationists.”

R. P. C. Hanson, in The Search for the Christian Doctrine of God, states:

“There is no theologian in the Eastern or the Western Church before the outbreak of the Arian Controversy [in the fourth century], who does not in some sense regard the Son as subordinate to the Father.”

Dr. Alvan Lamson, in The Church of the First Three Centuries, adds this testimony regarding the teaching of church authorities before the Council of Nicaea (325 C.E.):

“The inferiority of the Son was generally, if not uniformly, asserted by the ante-Nicene Fathers . . . That they viewed the Son as distinct from the Father is evident from the circumstance that they plainly assert his inferiority. . . . They considered him distinct and subordinate.”


Similarly, in the book Gods and the One God, Robert M. Grant says the following about the Apologists:

“The Christology of the apologies, like that of the New Testament, is essentially subordinationist. The Son is always subordinate to the Father, who is the one God of the Old Testament. . . . What we find in these early authors, then, is not a doctrine of the Trinity . . . Before Nicaea, Christian theology was almost universally subordinationist.”

What did the apostles teach?

Please note that the context “of” is the same as “his God and Father”.

Please note that the context always makes the God and Father separate from Lord Jesus.

(John 17:3) 3 This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.

(Romans 15:5-6) 5 Now may the God who supplies endurance and comfort grant YOU to have among yourselves the same mental attitude that Christ Jesus had, 6 that with one accord YOU may with one mouth glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

(1 Corinthians 15:24) 24 Next, the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power.

(2 Corinthians 1:3) 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of tender mercies and the God of all comfort,

(2 Corinthians 11:31) 31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, even the One who is to be praised forever, knows I am not lying.

(Galatians 1:3-5) 3 May YOU have undeserved kindness and peace from God our Father and [the] Lord Jesus Christ. 4 He gave himself for our sins that he might deliver us from the present wicked system of things according to the will of our God and Father, 5 to whom be the glory forever and ever. Amen.

(Ephesians 1:3) 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for he has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in union with Christ,

(Ephesians 1:17) 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give YOU a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him;

(Ephesians 4:6) 6 one God and Father of all [persons], who is over all and through all and in all.

(Ephesians 5:20) 20 in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ giving thanks always for all things to our God and Father.

(Philippians 4:20) 20 Now to our God and Father be the glory forever and ever. Amen.

(1 Thessalonians 1:3-4) 3 for we bear incessantly in mind YOUR faithful work and [your] loving labor and [your] endurance due to [your] hope in our Lord Jesus Christ before our God and Father. 4 For we know, brothers loved by God, his choosing of YOU,

(1 Thessalonians 3:11-13) 11 Now may our God and Father himself and our Lord Jesus direct our way prosperously to YOU. 12 Moreover, may the Lord cause YOU to increase, yes, make YOU abound, in love to one another and to all, even as we also do to YOU; 13 to the end that he may make YOUR hearts firm, unblamable in holiness before our God and Father at the presence of our Lord Jesus with all his holy ones.

(James 1:27) 27 The form of worship that is clean and undefiled from the standpoint of our God and Father is this: to look after orphans and widows in their tribulation, and to keep oneself without spot from the world.

(1 Peter 1:3-4) 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for according to his great mercy he gave us a new birth to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 to an incorruptible and undefiled and unfading inheritance. It is reserved in the heavens for YOU,

(Revelation 1:5-6) 1 A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent forth his angel and presented [it] in signs through him to his slave John, 5 . . .To him that loves us and that loosed us from our sins by means of his own blood— 6 and he made us to be a kingdom, priests to his God and Father—yes, to him be the glory and the might forever. Amen.


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