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I have heard of this teaching about one can lose his salvation.

Can the Holy Spirit (God) make a mistake?
Can someone be regenerated by God, then unregenerated?
Can we become a New Creation in Christ, just to be turned inside out?

2007-10-08 10:10:57 · 20 answers · asked by Brian Z 2 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

20 answers

Once you place your faith in Christ you can never lose what He gave His life for, your salvation.

2007-10-08 10:15:56 · answer #1 · answered by gtahvfaith 5 · 4 2

The Holy Spirit will not make a mistake. The Holy Spirit's indwelling is dependent on the heart of the sinner.

Can someone be unregenerate? Yes, our "regeneration" is because the Holy Spirit dwells in us, if the Holy Spirit leaves we are left with our sins to bear.

We can become a new creation only to totally reject the lifestyle this creation was mean to live.

God grace is only effective in an repentive heart.

2007-10-08 17:18:05 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 1 2

I think a question I would ask is how can you loose something you can not earn. If like rogue 27 states then Salvation becomes an act of works. Go ahead and throw Salvation in Jesus in with the rest of the cults who believe that if you do more good than bad you will remain saved. The real question become if one is truly saved. Anyone can have an emotional experience but if there is no repentance which means to turn away, change your way of thinking, if you still club and live as thoe nothing has happened and you don't feel convicted, are you really saved??
On the other hand if you have a fear that Oh No what if I do something wrong and God takes away my salvation you will never live out the life that God has for you. Only when you are fully rooted in the fact of your salvation can you go out and really share the gospel not out of fear but a sincere joy and love.
Luke 15:11-31 we have the parable of the lost son, never in the parable is the son ever refered to anything other than a son. He went off and was in sin his life seamed exciting as thow he was really living it up but away from the father he found him self in misery. When he came to his senses and returned home, many earthly fathers would have closed the door on his face but his father welcomed him home with great love.
The Father corrects his childern, If you are really saved you may sin but you will feel guilty and convicted, God will send trails your way. You may loose out on your rewards but you can not loose that which you can not earn. I think when we are judged on what we did with our time for the kingdom. To some he will say "Well done good and faithful servent." to others he is going to say "WELL??"
God bless..

2007-10-08 21:20:47 · answer #3 · answered by salamander492 4 · 1 0

Salvation has two sides. God's offer and your response. God's offer and ability never changes. Your response and ability may.

God made the same offer to Cane as to Able, even while rejecting Cane's sacrifice. There was no desire in Cane to respond; rather hatred which resulted in the murder of his brother.

Judas decided to follow Jesus (a decision for Christ as many call it today) and was accepted as one of the Twelve. He received teaching and revelation at the Master's hand and power for ministry. He rejoiced with the others who were cautioned by the Lord; regarding the placement of names in the book of life. Judas, seeking to force an earthly kingdom, like Cane, never made it.

The elect Children of Israel, coming out of bondage in Egypt, were lost (but for two of that generation) as there hearts were forever turning back to the world and they had no faith to see the gift of Life in Christ; which was the Promised Land being a type of the Holy Spirit.

Many mistake salvation for a condition or doctrinal position; a situation or right which God provides; an endowment or gift which God passes out like Christmas candy; of course with perfect wisdom! Others view the Holy Spirit, which is the presence of the very Life of Christ, as a gift of steroids from heaven.

God sends rain (the Holy Spirit) on the just and unjust and there are vessels to honor and dishonour.

What is the real meaning of regeneration and being a new creation in Christ or having the mind of Christ? Justification, sanctification, many anointings and blessings and the baptism of the Holy Spirit; then many trials and tribulations, according to Scripture, preceed the mind of Christ.

We are told in Ephesians 4:13, and after, that we grow into the nature of Christ. This, like all of God's creation, is a process and only God knows the final manifestation.

Many Christians seek doctrinal certification instead of having communion in their own hearts in the light of Christ's living presence. If you rest in the blessed reality of knowing that Jesus is present with you and in you; the various teachings and endless questions fall away.

God looks upon the heart. Answers are not found in fully understanding God's nature and work; but understanding the nature of our own heart in relation to his mercy and grace.

If you believe that salvation is a "thing" you will most likely loose it; as Salvation is a person and not a method, condition or doctrine.

2007-10-09 00:40:33 · answer #4 · answered by Tommy 6 · 0 0

Calvinist believe that once you are saved then you are always saved. Armenians believe that you have to saved over and over again--for every sin immediately done--you sure don't see many of those now days. It only takes one Calvinist to get everyone to go to heaven--he gets a gun and makes all the Armenians pray and ask forgiveness, and right at the moment of their contrition, he kills them. Then he turns the gun on himself. That way everybody goes to heaven. This is an old bible school joke about the black and white issues of salvation turned into the basic argument that everyone can go to heaven. Heard in logic classes and theology classes.

Can one lose his salvation? Yes, by his/her own free will! A person can choose to walk away from their beliefs just by saying to themselves, I don't want to believe this any more. Does that mean God will let us back in? Yes. Even if we change our minds every second? Yes. But YOU try changing your mind every second. God I believe. God I don't believe. It is so mind wearing that not many can do it beyond a minute or two. The love of God is always going to love us no matter what.

The Holy Spirit never makes a mistake. Is it ever a mistake to allow one more child back into the Kingdom of God? Upon contrition of the heart and soul, it would be UN-GODLY to reject even one.

Can someone be un-regenerated? That all depends on what you mean by regenerated. If you mean saved, I refer you to the verse wear Jesus talks about the man who in Matthew 12:43-45 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

Can we be turned inside out? Yes, through deceit and deception and lies, but ultimately, we are responsible for our own decisions. We make a decision to turn our will and our lives over the that care of God everyday. Some don't do that. Some turn their will and lives over to the care of the media, sex, drugs, alcohol, rock and roll--ad infinitum.

Take care

2007-10-09 04:49:40 · answer #5 · answered by Maximilian Septillion 2 · 0 0

An interesting question.

God does not make mistakes. A person can be regenerated by God, but later on lose that regeneration. The issue is free-will.

We are constantly being saved when we turn to God and accept His love and mercy. With free-will a person can turn away from God voluntarily. Let us imagine a person who was baptized through the Holy Spirit and was a devote Christian. Then a few years down the road he believed that it was alright to commit a bunch of crimes. He willingly committed the crimes and has convinced himself that to follow something else but God was the right way. That person has put aside his salvation by choosing not to follow God's commandments and repent. He may have lost his salvation.

The bible teaches us to work out our salvation in fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12). In Matthew 19:16-19 Jesus told a person what he had to do to be saved/have eternal life. He had to abide by the commandments. So if someone chooses not to obey the commandments and not love God and neighbor, then his salvation may be in jeopardy. People need to do something to respond to God's love and mercy.

So in order to be saved, a person needs to believe in the redeeming power of Christ's sacrifice, and respond to God's love by following the commandments to the best of their ability. Most importantly a person needs to love God and his neighbors.

God opens the way to the Kingdom of Heaven, but people need to voluntarily step through the gates.

Hope this helps. The Lord be with you.

2007-10-08 17:36:22 · answer #6 · answered by Void Engineer 3 · 4 1

quoting source:

P - Preservation of the Saints

The last of the five points of Calvinism teaches that God preserves His people so they can never be lost. To put it simply, it means this: "Once you are saved, you are always saved."

God's Word is full of proof for this beautiful truth. And though many deny it, and tell you that you can be lost and saved many, many times, and therefore can never be sure of your salvation, the Bible says otherwise. Talking about His elect sheep, Jesus said: "And I give them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand" (John 10:28). See John 6:39, 17:2, 11,12; Romans 8:37-39; II Tim. 1:12; 4:18, etc. etc.

Some object to this doctrine because it supposedly makes men "carnally secure" in their salvation. That is, if I know nothing can make me go to hell once God has saved me, I will "live like the devil." There have been some who have used this beautiful truth as an excuse to live like the devil. But they are not Christians. Nor do they understand this truth. Because this truth also implies "PERSEVERANCE OF THE SAINTS." Those who never fall away are saints. They are holy. And they are given power to live holy lives. They "continue in well-doing." Anyone who says he can "live like the devil" has not experienced the saving power of Christ and does not know the meaning of Philippians 1:6, "He that hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ." God will continue working good works in us until Christ returns.

2007-10-08 17:15:40 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 2 3

God will NEVER take the gift of salvation from us, but we can reject it and walk away from it even after accepting Christ. If one continues to sin with out seeking forgiveness and repenting your salvation is in trouble on your end. Salvation is an ongoing process on our end, not just saying that "I believe in Christ".

"As the Bible says, I am already saved (Rom. 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8), but I’m also being saved (1 Cor. 1:8, 2 Cor. 2:15, Phil. 2:12), and I have the hope that I will be saved (Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15). Like the apostle Paul I am working out my salvation in fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12), with hopeful confidence in the promises of Christ (Rom. 5:2, 2 Tim. 2:11–13)."

2007-10-08 17:17:29 · answer #8 · answered by tebone0315 7 · 5 2

"When Christ who is our life appears, then you will also appear with Him in glory." Our life is Christ's life and He can never die again.
"In Him also you trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession..."
God is the One who keeps our salvation, not we ourselves, that's why we cannot lose our salvation. The book of Hebrews says He saves "to the uttermost", which means completely.

2007-10-08 17:42:28 · answer #9 · answered by Renata 6 · 1 1

Of course you are right. Salvation means saved and either you are or you are not.
But understand we have not literally been reborn but are made new by faith, as we have not literally died.
It is by faith we say we are saved and should we reject the truth and lose our faith we can not be saved and not believe in God or not accept the atonement.
He who endures to the end is truly saved what we have now we have by faith.

2007-10-08 17:16:49 · answer #10 · answered by djmantx 7 · 4 0

Does one have free will? If so, one can accept Christ and then reject Him. What do you think happens to the one who claims Christ and then becomes a mass murderer, a pedophile, a terrorist etc? To die in a state of sin is a terrible thing to contemplate -- even if you claim that you have been saved.

2007-10-08 17:19:50 · answer #11 · answered by Mr Wisdom 4 · 2 1

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