Another question about women pastors...?

Question

I'd love to get your feedback on women as pastors and women in ministry (in general.)

Would you attend a church that had a female pastor...say like Joyce Meyer?

I'm including a link that goes into great detail about this very subject. It also has scripture to make the point.

http://www.bible.com/bibleanswers_result.php?id=141

Comments or feedback? Please be respectful and thanks!

Answer 1

I have attended churches with women in pastoral roles (albeit not senior pastoral roles). I think that the link that you included makes several salient points. I think that, to discard all other Biblical and even New Testament evidence other than the two passages that seem in conflict, is a misinterpretation of Scripture. I think that, in order to discover the mind of God in this matter, we must include all of the Scriptural evidence in determining which viewpoint is appropriate to the whole counsel of God in the matter. To accept two passages of Paul's writings and to disregard everything else he had to say on the subject develops an imbalance. I am assuming that those who would prohibit women in ministry believe that the Bible is true and inerrant. That being the case, we must consider all, and not only the parts that suit our agenda.

Answer 2

I love Joyce Meyer; and the church I attend does have a female pastor, although she is not the senior pastor.

I have read a great many books on this issue, both pro and con. I agree with Joyce Meyer, and other pastors (including men) I have heard teach on the subject...women can do great things in ministry, and people should not limit how God chooses to work.

I still believe, as Joyce Meyer does (and as the Bible says), that a wife should submit to her husband, but some people take this too far by saying that all women should submit to all men. Definitely not!!!

Answer 3

There is an order in God's kingdom - Jesus Christ, the man, and then the woman. This is why I believe God called unto Adam (Gen 3:9) first, because although Eve was the first to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, God held Adam accountable to answer for their disobedience. While I believe there are very good female teachers who are led by the Holy Spirit to bring edification to the body of Christ, I agree with the scripture in 1 Timothy 3 that a bishop (pastor) must be the husband of one wife; this qualification would be impossible for a woman to fill.

Answer 4

I would not attend Joyce Meyer's church. I've met her. In fact, she spent a good five minutes poking me in the stomach during a rally once, trying to get me to fall down. The whole time, I was praying, "Lord, I am yours, do what you want with me." Apparently, He wanted me to stand and keep on praying, because I didn't fall over, unlike all the other people who were hypnotized by poor old Joyce.

I've read her stuff. She just trots out tired old evangelical theology, repackaged with her cheerful vocabulary. She's nothing new and not very inspiring to anybody who really wants to GROW in their faith.

Now then, about women in general, women have a very important role in ministry. Though people who don't go to my church would swear otherwise, women are very, very important to the ministry here and always have been, and women in the pews are equal on all counts to men in the pews.

As far as leading a church goes, however, my observation is that it is far more effective to have a man at the helm of the church, because he garners more respect from other men. In churches run by women, it quickly becomes a girls' club and the guys don't lift a finger because they really don't need to.

Furthermore, I believe that the leader of your church should behave as Christ or "in persona Christi." Christ is a male, and I think His maleness is a good and wholesome part of His humanity, so for me, the person in persona Christi at the helm of my church should be a guy.

Answer 5

There's a definitely place for women having a ministry - to other women, or to children. But God's Word is very clear that women should not teach men in the church.

I disagree with some of the things Joyce Meyer teaches, and I'm not sure if she teaches within the confines of a church, or just to women. If it's just women, I would defend her right to free speech, even though I disagree with her and wouldn't want to take a class she teaches. If she teaches to men as well, she is out of order with God's Word.

God bless you!

Answer 6

Yes Indeed. I would attend a church with a woman Pastor. If she was anything like Joyce Meyer. Joyce Meyer's preaches it like it is, she doesn't mix any words, if your offended by what she says or what any pastor say, then you must be guilty. So yes, I would attend a church with a lady Pastor. You got my vote.

Answer 7

1 Timothy 2:12-15 (New International Version)

I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.


1 Corinthians 14:34-35 (New International Version)

Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.

Answer 8

Thats the thing though, if the bible was inpsired by God and everything written in it is his word, then who are the churches who employ woman as pastors really being guided by.... since they say "God" is using them, then Im guessing he went back on his word and decided women can speak and address the same functions as men in church.

Answer 9

My wife is a minister. She is called by God. She was educated in a 4 year Biblical college. Called by her church. Licensed by her church. And soon to be a pastor of a church. Are we to argue against God and His people?

Answer 10

Makes no difference whether the pastor is female or male.

In a few places of the Bible, we find that the Apostle Paul said some things that were not inspired by God (see 1 Corinthians 11:3-10 and 1 Timothy 2:12-15). Although Paul was a Christian who was mightily used by God, we have to keep in mind that he was yet an imperfect human (as we all are) and we must be able to discern man’s flawed views from God’s word.

Adam was created before Eve but that doesn’t mean he was superior to Eve. Also, Adam was just as deceived as Eve and that’s why he ate the fruit.

In Christ, men and women are equal (Galatians 3:28). Both female and male believers in Christ are kings and priests unto God (Revelation 1:6) and God calls Christian women and men to ALL offices of ministry within the Church. In 1 Timothy 2:12, Paul said that he (not God) forbade women to teach men. In the Bible we see that God called many women to be leaders and teachers of men, women and children: prophets (Miriam, Deborah, Huldah, Isaiah’s wife, Philipp’s four daughters), military leader and judge (Deborah), disciples (Mary, Martha, Joanna, Mary Magdalene, Susanna, and “many more”), deacon (Priscilla), and church leader (Lydia).

Furthermore, in Acts 2:17-18 it says:

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

In the Church, God calls many Christian women to be apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors (or “shepherds”) and teachers of men, women and children.

In Ephesians 5:22, Paul instructs wives to submit to their husbands, however in the verse before he said that ALL Christians (both male and female) should equally submit themselves to one another:

Ephesians 5:21
Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.

Both husband and wife must respectfully submit to each other. Neither is superior.

In Ephesians 5:25, Paul instructs husbands to love their wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it.

It is common sense that if the husband isn’t loving and righteous, the wife should not submit to him because as Christians, we are to obey God and not men.

On 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, it is understood that men should also stay silent while the preacher whether female or male is preaching, and if they missed or didn’t understand something, they should wait until later to ask their wives or a fellow brother or sister in Christ or do their own study. The main lesson is to not interrupt the service.

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