What has an undocumented alien ever done to you?

Question

I have been reading the many opinions about illegal immigrants, and immigration in general. It is obviously a subject that Americans are very passionate about, no matter what side they are on. I personally feel there should be punishment as well as compromise, a tighter border as well as a reform for those that are already here, but my opinion is besides the point. Some of the people on here are not only against illegal immigration, but seem to be against each specific immigrant, in a very disturbing and hateful way. This makes me wonder if you have been victimized in some way by an illegal alien. Please tell me specifically what injustice you, (specifically you) have suffered at the hands of an illegal alien. Please don’t use the argument that they don’t pay taxes, or they receive welfare because I am looking for personal experiences. Also, if you have been violated in some way by an illegal immigrant, have you ever been violated in the same way by an American Citizen - or is it possible to be violated the same way by an American Citizen? Trying to find a reason for the madness

Answer 1

Killed a bunch of my friends cattle & broke into his ranch house. Cost them about $50K. They shoot on sight now. Next question.

I get where your going w/ this. Most illegals are just trying to support their families (American Dream stuff). However, they should at least make an attempt to become naturalized citizens. That is why I support amnesty to provide a means to citizenship. However, I also believe criminals should be booted (theives, murderers, rapists, etc) w/o question.

Answer 2

OK. I have younger adult children. One of them isn't really a great student, and isn't going to become an engineer, soft wear designer, or other specialized occupation. He'll be a shop worker, roofer, lawn cutter, or something comparable. His choice, and I don't believe he's some tragic victim. But, for our government to allow millions of illegal immigrants to freely enter America obviously makes his earning any decent wage a lot more unlikely. When the labor supply has millions of extra people competing for those jobs, wages WILL either go down, or at least remain stagnent. If America allowed 5-6 million foreign registered nurses to just come into America to work, then the wages nurses could earn WOULD drop. It's a simple matter of supply and demand. We are allowing millions to compete with the Americans least able to sucessfully compete.EDIT EDIT EDIT By the way- While most Americans haven't suffered any obvious personal harm or injures from illegals, Americans ARE harmed. Most people are against companies selling poison food- even people who haven't personally been poisoned. We oppose allowing people to shoot high powered rifles on shool playgrounds, even if our own children haven't been shot. We oppose drunk driving- even if we haven't yet had a family member killed by a drunk. We oppose letting people build their own atomic bombs in their basements, even if we've never been blown up personally. We oppose murderers in general, though we haven't been murdered personally.

Answer 3

They use schools and there are too many of them. Our schools are failing our own children in areas where illegal immigrants concentrate. This isn't just a matter of paying for them, but of the fact that our children's programs are cut and our own children's education is not competitive with what they need. I live in LAUSD and you can look at programs here 20 years ago and now, and budgets, and it is very clear what the problem is. If you aren't willing to do that work, and discount this opinion, you don't really want to find a reason people are mad, at all.

You can start at greatschools.net

Answer 4

Bigotry (i.e., "madness") comes from mom and pop and Dick and Jane at school. Or from personal experience. Bigots are not born, they are made. You ever had a person stick a gun in your face and threaten to kill you if you don't hand over your wallet? Or handcuff you to the steering wheel of your car while holding a knife at your throat? I have. I certainly remember what race/nationality those people were. It makes me just a little bigoted, but not about immigration. There are reasons for the madness, some of them not very good, other ones plausible. I see poor people's children steal things in stores like it's the most natural thing in the world and the parents, who are right there, approve of it. The mother smiles and clearly there's another baby on the way. Obladi-oblada.

Answer 5

True question
Car theft. A family member got her car stolen in a parking lot by an illegal Mexican (caught on camera when he passed at the cash register).

Let me tell you that there's a lot of illegal immigrants who are 'good' and hard workers and whose only crime is border crossing (which still IS a crime) but there's also a lot who do gang, crime, thefts, at higher percentage than non-illegals (legals and Americans). Just ask any policeman regrettably he will tell you the crime per capita is highest for illegals, in fact so high that he may not want to comment on it.

Answer 6

I have been personally and directly affected by an illegal alien. My wife was sideswiped by an illegal alien. He had fake insurance, fake ID. We had to pay the insurance deductible out of our own pocket. If she had been hurt or killed, it would have all been on us as well.

BTW, we all pay increased insurance premiums due to uninsured drivers.

Yes, it's entirely possible a violation in some way by an illegal alien could have been done by an American citizen. In my case for example, it "could" have been done by an American citizen BUT IT WASN'T. If she had been killed, it would not have been by an American citizen, it would have been directly due to an illegal alien driving illegally in our country!!

The difference is illegal aliens don't belong in the country in the first place. They shouldn't be driving here with fake IDs, fake insurance, etc.

They should be driving in their own country hurting and killing people.

To Becky

Why do you have to make fun of poor people? For your information, I was a young military man raising a family, and I lived in a trailer for a period of time. Is there something wrong with this??

I provided for and supported my family and defended my country, for over 25 years. What have you ever done for your country, except make fun of your fellow citizens?

Answer 7

First, I'm trying to figure out your stand. In your initial sentence you say "Americans are very passionate about" which sounds like you are not American. Then later you say "those who are already here" which sounds like you live in America...so now I'm confused as to where you're coming from. I've seen on here that people discuss illegal immigration but I have not seen anyone strike out at one particular illegal immigrant. Although I have not experienced it but I've heard of theft, abuse of laws, illegals trashing peoples property (land), being threatening, and some being on drugs and being downright scary. People lash out because the laws aren't strong enough at this time to prevent the illegals abuses of our system, and abuses to some people in general. It's difficult when you need the (farm) help and yet can't seem to re-train the illegals because they weren't brought up with laws. So it's a push and pull scenario. On the other hand American is a christian nation with lots of catholics and a lot of the Mexicans are catholics so there again it's a push and pull scenario. We want to help them but can't seem to so they come and take. Taking without asking is not ethical, it's not etiquette, it's against any christian church, and is against our laws as well. How do you train people like these to fit in, and fit in without a "march on ameirca" every time you turn around. We don't want this in America. America wants people who come here to meld as a nation. We want America to stand tall. Other countries know that if there is no melding then America will fall. America doesn't want to fall.

Answer 8

hmm ...
lemme see.

i got in a fight with a girl at my school whom i know to be an illegal immigrant because she told me so when we were still friends, and she called me a b****. but that could be anyone. it's totally possible for a citizen to call me a b****.

a boy at my elementary school whom i knew to be illegal - it was common knowledge who was illegal and who wasn't - kicked me really hard in the shins. again, anyone could have done that.

similar things have happened to me at the hands of legal citizens of all races and ethnicities, though. there is no crime an 'illegal' can commit that a legal citizen can't.

and for the taxes argument - we get so mad when our taxes are used to HELP people. the esl tutors and welfare HELP people. there is a problem with immigration and poverty, but illegal immigrants are not bad. loads more of our taxes are used to build bombs and guns and send soldiers to iraq in a pointless 'war.' and no one complains about tax dollars spent to KILL people.

give me all the thumbs down you want. i speak the truth. everyone else is too blinded by patriotism to realize this.

Answer 9

Spare us the slanted definition, they are illegal aliens plain and simple. What have they done, you ask? They have come here illegally for starters. They contribute to a shadow economy by purchasing fake social security cards, birth certificates, and driver's licenses. They steal jobs and they account for some startling crime statistics. In 1980, our Federal and state facilities held fewer than 9,000 criminal aliens but at the end of 2003, approximately 267,000 illegal aliens were incarcerated in U.S. correctional facilities, as follows
46,000 in Federal prisons
74,000 in state prisons
147,000 in local jails

Additionally, 27% of all prisoners in Federal custody are criminal illegal aliens and the majority (63%) of those are Mexican citizens. However, the large Mexican component is mostly due to the fact that the majority of illegal aliens are from Mexico and the incarceration rate is only slightly above the Mexican representation (~57%) of the illegal aliens in the overall illegal alien population, although a more recent crossing analysis indicates a much higher Mexican content.

In fiscal 2004, the Federal govt. spent $1.4 billion to incarcerate criminal aliens. This total included $280 million of reimbursements made to state and local governments under the State Criminal Alien Assistance Program [SCAAP] - a Department of Justice program managed by the Bureau of Justice Assistance (BJA) - but SCAAP funds cover less than 25% of the full cost of incarcerating criminal aliens, leaving the balance of 75% to be picked up by the local jurisdiction.

It is worth noting that all the incarceration costs, some $5.6 billion in 2004, are ultimately paid for by the taxpayers. Throughout this paper, it is worth noting the costs being imposed on society for illegal aliens as you will see that the costs will continue to accumulate, often dramatically so. It is also worth noting that with proper border security and immigration enforcement there would be few illegal aliens and little of those costs would be incurred thus allowing a cost-benefit analysis.

THIS IS WHAT YOUR SO CALLED UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS HAVE DONE TO US. Any other questions?

Answer 10

Killed my brother, left my 2 nephews fatherless and is currently loose in this country using some new fake identity unless he fled back to welcoming arms in Mexico. Why?

We can't do anything about the legal citizens who commit crimes, but we certainly don't have to tolerate having 12 Americans suffer death each day at the hands of illegal aliens. Of COURSE we are angry. These are 12 lives that are shed each day simply because our government won't enforce our own laws. More people die at the hands of illegal aliens than in Iraq and Afghanistan combined.

Answer 11

'Personal' violations aren't at issue here. What is at issue - and you are right about the borders and some manner of reform regarding those (illegals) already here - is the scary outlook for our future when we have (only) 12 to 20 million undocumented aliens in the country now.