How many here are trying to find a common ground between theism and science?

Question

Creationists say that they do that. Scientists, except the minority that are also creationist, don't accept it. I don't accept it either. Fine, but we should continue to try. Religious people should try to unify their belief with science, not just have it together with science as if there was two distinct ultimate realities: God on the religious side and the laws of nature on the science side. In the same way, scientists should realize that the laws of nature aren't just something outside us only accessible through external devices.

There is an obvious link between these two realities. Our brain is a tool to take full advantage of these laws of nature through an efficient technique of meditation. This is currently explored within science. Any experience related to God, in any form, must be an expression of the laws of nature. It is not a peculiar unification. It is not at all a diminution of God. It is a better appreciation of the laws of nature. It's the same God.

Julia: Here are some definitions on the web for "common grounds":

* A foundation for mutual understanding:

* A basis agreed to by all parties for reaching a mutual understanding

* something mutually agreed upon,

Did you get the idea? It is not done until there is a mutual agreement. I appreciate that the Catholic church has done some effort in that direction. For example, I believe the pope has accepted the theory of evolution. However, clearly there is more to be done.

Answer 1

Yes,

at their most mystical, and most profound, spirituality (as sometimes articulated through religion) and science (as usually articulated by people who understand very little about it, even when they have studied it) have the same source.

That source is the very human quality of reaching out to touch, experience and make sense of the incredible, fascinating, terrible, profound, patterned, ordered and chaotic universe we find ourselves alive in.

Spirituality, at its most mystical, at its deepest, reaches out. Yet when those who reach, as Jesus reached, describe their stories their followers create religions around them which lose and bury the footsteps of the mystic.

And science, just as guilty, buries its searches in jargon, focuses too much on linguistics and semantics of a very arcane language - mathematics, which is so complex to most people that the ideas are lost because the process by which those ideas are comprehensible is inaccessible, and so science, like religion, has bred interpreters who are followed but not understood, and all too often give only the messages which suit their agenda.

A first step to common understanding would rest in sharing and exploring the concept of energy.

Answer 2

I believe that natural mechanisms are the sources of 'stuff' in the universe. That includes, for the time being, the processes described by the theory of evolution, the big bang hypothesis, etc.

Having said that I've spent too much time in science and the history of the field to outright reject the existence of phenomena we might consider to be fantasy, supernatural or science fiction. So, instead, I am agnostic with regard to these things ... for the moment.

Answer 3

The Catholic Church has already done that. It did it centuries ago.

Without the Catholic Church, which has been a prime patron of science and learning over the years, we would not have the knowledge we have today.

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Answer 4

Oh, there unquestionably is: conflict! See, theology facilitates to justify it and technology facilitates to create the recent weapons to objective on the enemy. technology and faith circulate actual good mutually in conflict.

Answer 5

the whole debate about it detracts from education ...both should be explained and open for discussion .. nobody should be excluded from science ..

Answer 6

no