Jehovah's Witnesses ? Jesus is Michael the Archangel?

Question

Can you please quote biblical scriptures that back up your claim that Jesus is not God but is really Michael the Archangel? Please provide a biblical source, not the JW bible or the Watchtower literature. Thanks.

Answer 1

I got some great answers when I asked that questiion. One person really explained it well. I do not personally believe this, but I did appreciate the answers.

Answer 2

You modern a straw guy argument for the JW's know-how of Jesus/Michael. That Jesus is Michael would not relax on Daniel 10:13, 20 and a million Thessalonians 4:sixteen, as you declare. those scriptures would nicely be utilized to *help* the perception that Jesus is Michael, yet that may not the beginning place. in case you study all references/prophecies of the two Jesus and Michael, you will see strategies-blowing similarities between the two, suggesting that they are the comparable individual. Hebrews a million:6 poses no issues for the JWs, with the aid of fact we don't think that Jesus is purely an angel. he's larger than the angels, and continually has been. "Archangel" being a "extreme order of an angel" is purely an interpretation. "Archangel" can propose first, chief, or ruler of the angels. "Arch" potential first or ruler." "Angel" purely potential "messenger," and not even a Trinitarian would desire to deny that. Jesus is observed as an angel/messenger in Malachi 3:a million. Jesus is observed as the "word" - this is analogous to "messenger." Jesus is observed as an "apostle" in Hebrews 3:a million - this is additionally comparable in intending to "messenger." there are various scriptures that talk of Jesus speaking on behalf of the daddy - functioning interior the region of a messenger. "as a effect, if God by no potential observed as an angel his Son, then Michael--who's an angel--won't be able to be the Son." The Bible calls Michael the archangel, no longer in uncomplicated terms an angel. Tobit has no touching in this difficulty with the aid of fact's apocryphal. no longer even the Catholic church seen that e book canon till the 1500's. interior the stimulated books, the Bible makes no indication that there is greater advantageous than one archangel. besides, that Jesus and Michael are the comparable is actual a minor JW coaching this is hardly stated in any respect. this is the JW critics who make an excellent deal approximately it. If it have been by some potential proved that Jesus isn't Michael, it would not wreck the JW perception gadget, as critics seem to intend.

Answer 3

-back up your claim that Jesus is not God

John 1:18 "No one has seen God at any time."

-but is really Michael the Archangel

1 Th 4:16 "For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first."

Answer 4

The Trinity is a false doctrine, God or Jehovah, Jesus (God's son) and the holy spirit (God's active force) are 3 separate things. NOT ONE PERSON. king james bible - john 14:28 "for my father is greater than i" - 1 Corinthians 11:3 "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God."

i hope this explains about why the trinity is a false doctrine, although i am a jehovah's witness my source is from the king james bible, source included.

Answer 5

Did Jesus ever come out and and say, "I am God"? No. Did he ever come out and say, "I am God's Son"? Yes. At John 10:33, Jesus' enemies said, "Although being a man, you make yourself God." Did Jesus concur? Far from it! He countered his enemies' claim by quoting from Ps. 82:6, where Almighty God Himself called imperfect human judges "gods." Jesus then said that if the Law (the OT) called humans "gods," where was the blasphemy when he called himself GOD'S SON. NOT God himself? (John 10:34-36)

Aside from the Creator himself, only one faithful person is spoken of as having angels under subjection—namely, Jesus Christ. (Matthew 13:41; 16:27; 24:31) The apostle Paul made specific mention of “the Lord Jesus” and “his powerful angels.” (2 Thessalonians 1:7) And Peter described the resurrected Jesus by saying: “He is at God’s right hand, for he went his way to heaven; and angels and authorities and powers were made subject to him.”—1 Peter 3:22.

While there is no statement in the Bible that categorically identifies Michael the archangel as Jesus, there is one scripture that links Jesus with the office of archangel. In his letter to the Thessalonians, the apostle Paul prophesied: “The Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first.” (1 Thessalonians 4:16) In this scripture Jesus is described as having assumed his power as God’s Messianic King. Yet, he speaks with “an archangel’s voice.” Note, too, that he has the power to raise the dead.

While on earth as a human, Jesus performed several resurrections. In doing so, he used his voice to utter commanding calls. For example, when resurrecting the dead son of a widow in the city of Nain, he said: “Young man, I say to you, Get up!” (Luke 7:14, 15) Later, just before resurrecting his friend Lazarus, Jesus “cried out with a loud voice: ‘Lazarus, come on out!’” (John 11:43) But on these occasions, Jesus’ voice was the voice of a perfect man.

After his own resurrection, Jesus was raised to a “superior position” in heaven as a spirit creature. (Philippians 2:9) No longer a human, he has the voice of an archangel. So when God’s trumpet sounded the call for “those who are dead in union with Christ” to be raised to heaven, Jesus issued “a commanding call,” this time “with an archangel’s voice.” It is reasonable to conclude that only an archangel would call “with an archangel’s voice.”

Yes, there are other angelic creatures of high rank, such as seraphs and cherubs. (Genesis 3:24; Isaiah 6:2) Yet, the Scriptures point to the resurrected Jesus Christ as the chief of all angels—Michael the archangel.

Now I have a question for you. WHERE does it specifically say in the Bible that Jesus is named "Mighty God"? (Isa. 9:6) NOWHERE! WHERE does it specifically say that Jesus was the Word at John 1:1? NOWHERE! However, after "connecting the dots," don't we rightfully conclude that Jesus IS the Word? The same thing goes with Jesus and Michael. Although the Bible does not directly say that Jesus and Michael are one in the same, after looking at certain key verses, it becomes apparent that they are the same person.

Answer 6

--WE HAVE provided Biblical scriptures , but you do not believe them , as when Jesus CLEARLY stated, the following:
***FROM THE AMPLIFIED BIBLE:
John 10:36
--36[If that is true] do you say of the One Whom the Father consecrated and dedicated and set apart for Himself and sent into the world, You are blaspheming, BECAUSE I SAID (my caps), I am the Son of God"

John 17:1, 3
--WHEN JESUS had spoken these things, He lifted up His eyes to heaven AND SAID (my caps), Father, the hour has come. Glorify and exalt and honor and magnify Your Son, so that Your Son may glorify and extol and honor and magnify You"
......3And this is eternal life: [it means] to know (to perceive, recognize, become acquainted with, and understand) You, the ONLY REAL & TRUE GOD (my caps), and [likewise] to know Him, Jesus [as the] Christ (the Anointed One, the Messiah), Whom You have sent.

--John20:17"JESUS SAID (my caps) to her, Do not cling to Me [do not hold Me], for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to My brethren and tell them, I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God"

---NO TRICKY twists can change what JESUS ACTUALLY SAID as above!
--PEOPLE CAN FLIM FLAM John 1:1,2 all they want BUT WHY IS IT that you do not pay heed to what JESUS REALLY SAID, rather than what one INTERPRETS he said, or THINKS he said????
--WHEN the expressions are very clear from the mouth of Jehovah God's only begotten son?
--SO THEN agreeing that JESUS SAID the above statements , why do you not take him at his word??
--OR DO you think he was LYING??
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***AS TO MICHAEL:
--From YOUNGS LITERAL TRANSLATION:
Prov. 8:22 Jehovah possessed me -- the beginning of His way, Before His works since then.
-- 23 From the age I was ANOINTED FROM THE FIRST (my caps), From former states of the earth.
( what other angel than Michael was the first--and at the same time being the "only begotten son"?)
--Then I am NEAR HIM, a workman, And I am a delight -- day by day. Rejoicing before Him at all times"
***WHO was the nearest angel to Jehovah , other than Michael, who helped create all the other angels, AND became "the first borne" of all creation and designated "God's only begotten Son"---AS Christ Jesus?
***TO WHOM do you think Jehovah God was addressing if it was not Michael prior to coming to the earth as the Christ?
WHAT other angel would he be referring to? AS "Anointed" & Only begotten?
***AND WHAT names alone appear together at the same time & situation OTHER THAN Michael the Archangel & Christ Jesus in staggered presentations!

Answer 7

Jehovah's Witnesses do happen to believe that Michael is Jesus, but the idea is hardly central to their faith.

It is just that a child can recognize what the bible says about the idea...

Is not Jesus Christ the primary "Seed" who defeats Satan? The Millennial Rule begins with Satan's abyssing, performed by Christ Jesus, and no mere subsidiary. Thus, when Revelation 12:7-9 tells us that "Michael" performs this work, Jehovah's Witnesses are convinced that "Michael" is simply another name for Jesus, just as "Immanuel", "Sprout", "David", and "The Word" are additional names of Jesus (see Matt 1:23 ["Immanuel"]; Zech 6:12 ["Sprout", "Branch", or "Shoot"]; Ezek 37:24,25 ["David"]; Rev 19:13 ["The Word of God"]).

(Genesis 3:15) He [the Seed of God's woman] will bruise you [the original serpent Satan] in the head

(Revelation 12:7-9) Michael and his angels battled with the dragon... So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan

(Revelation 20:1-3) And I saw an angel... And he seized the dragon, the original serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. And he hurled him into the abyss

(Revelation 20:6-7) Rule as kings with [Christ] for the thousand years.


Almost comically, the same trinitarians who insist that Jesus cannot have another name are the same persons who pretend that Jesus is also called Jehovah.

While anti-Witnesses pretend that Jehovah's Witnesses rely upon one Scripture for the belief that Jesus is the archangel Michael, that passage (1 Thes 4:14-16) is simply the easiest, most concise demonstration of the fact.
...(1 Thessalonians 4:14-16) Jesus died and rose again, so, too... the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel's voice

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Here are the Scriptures from other popular bibles:

Genesis 3:15

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
He shall bruise you on the head, And you shall bruise him on the heel.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
He will crush your head, and you will bruise his heel.

King James Bible
it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

American Standard Version
he shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Bible in Basic English
by him will your head be crushed and by you his foot will be wounded.

Darby Bible Translation
he shall crush thy head, and thou shalt crush his heel.

English Revised Version
it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Jewish Publication Society Tanakh
they shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise their heel.

Webster's Bible Translation
it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

World English Bible
He will bruise your head, and you will bruise his heel.

Young's Literal Translation
he doth bruise thee -- the head, and thou dost bruise him -- the heel.


Revelation 12:7-9

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. ...And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Michael and his angels had to fight a war with the serpent. ...The huge serpent was thrown down. That ancient snake, named Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world, was thrown down

King James Bible
Michael and his angels fought against the dragon ...And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan

American Standard Version
Michael and his angels going forth to war with the dragon ...And the great dragon was cast down, the old serpent, he that is called the Devil and Satan

Bible in Basic English
Michael and his angels going out to the fight with the dragon ...And the great dragon was forced down, the old snake, who is named the Evil One and Satan

Darby Bible Translation
Michael and his angels went to war with the dragon. ...And the great dragon was cast out, the ancient serpent, he who is called Devil and Satan

English Revised Version
Michael and his angels going forth to war with the dragon ...And the great dragon was cast down, the old serpent, he that is called the Devil and Satan

Tyndale New Testament
Michael and his angels fought with the dragon ...And the great dragon, that old serpent called the devil and Sathanas, Was cast out.

Weymouth New Testament
Michael and his angels engaging in battle with the Dragon. ...The great Dragon, the ancient serpent, he who is called 'the Devil' and 'the Adversary' and leads the whole earth astray, was hurled down

Webster's Bible Translation
Michael and his angels fought against the dragon ...And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan

World English Bible
Michael and his angels made war on the dragon. ...The great dragon was thrown down, the old serpent, he who is called the devil and Satan

Young's Literal Translation
Michael and his messengers did war against the dragon... and the great dragon was cast forth -- the old serpent, who is called 'Devil,' and 'the Adversary,'

Answer 8

i didn't realize the JW's thought that as well - i knew the SDA's did.....

Answer 9

they can imagine things just the same as you