Whats the difference between Free-will v Pre- destination ??

Question

people say there is no such thing as pre destination as we all have free will but surely, any 'free will'choice is pre ordained??

Answer 1

Free will is the idea that ones own actions or works saves an individual. Those who believe in free will esentially are declaring that Christ's work on the cross was not complete --- rather a person must add something on their own accord; the idea of free will is not Biblical:

"Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,; - 2 Timothy 1:9.

If your source of truth is the Bible, we see that our salvation is clearly not because of any work we do, but rather because of all the work that Jesus did; a corpse, a spiritual corpse that is, can do nothing in and of itself, what can a corpse do? Let's look at this idea in Ephesians 2:

"And you hath he quickened, who were DEAD in trespasses and sins;

Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others." - Ephesians 2:1-3.

Being spiritually dead (unsaved) --- BUT who does the saving? Let's continue on in Ephesians 2:

BUT

"But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Not of works, lest any man should boast.

For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." - Ephesians 2:4-10.

You see, we are saved by grace, grace means "unmerited favor" and if something is unmerited it means you had no free will or work to contibute, it was a free gift.

"For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified." - Romans 8:29,30.

Carefully note the order, God: predestined, called, justifed and glorified; in other words, God does all the work in saving.

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will," - Ephesians 1:3-5.

Can't be clearer than that.

Answer 2

Free will is the philosophical position that maintains you are free to choose and therefore responsible for your actions. I can choose whether to affiliate myself to a political party or not, go to the grocery store or not, marry or remain celibate, etc. What we choose to do has consequences, therefore we bear the responsibility for our own actions because they shape the world. Destiny (more often called determinism in philosophy) is what life has in store for us. There's no escape. There's a script so to speak assigned to everyone in this life. It was already determined that you would post this question on Yahoo! Answers today when the universe came into being. The theory states the universe operates under certain laws and everything is destined to happen a certain way. Every outcome has already been pre-established. Many people have questioned if in a determined universe we could still be held responsible for our actions. By the way, this last position does NOT imply there's a god. The Universe could be self-sufficient in governing itself like many physicists have shown. Many people have come to believe the theory of determinism implies intelligent design, but it doesn't. Strangely enough the first option has also captivated religious minds. Christianity for example is centered around the belief that we are free to choose. Otherwise the concept of sin would not make sense. There are philosophers who think both apply to our reality. We are partly free to choose but also conditioned by a variety of factors. As you can see there's a lot to be said on this matter.

Answer 3

The Bible speaks in favor of free will.
Thus pre-destination is out the window.
What gets some people confused is certain groups have been pre-destined.
Example:
Proverbs 2:22 says:
"As regards the wicked, they will be cut off from the very earth; and as for the treacherous, they will be torn away from it."
The "wicked" is a class, or group and they have been pre-destined to extinction.
As to whether, or not, you are part of that group is your personal decision.
Your free will to choose.

Answer 4

I don't believe in free will.
Look. You have the first cause, then a million events, all leading up to you, right?
Then you have what happens to you, how you are raised, the factors that created your DNA as it is, all of those things.
Then you have your actions. See, your actions are caused by what made you. Your DNA, your upbringing, and your life experiences. All of these things control what you think, and what you do.
So obviously, there is no such thing as free will. I can't even begin to think of a clause that would break through this iron-clad argument against free-will.

Answer 5

God has decreed that we should exercise our own free will in all matters. In our pursuit of spiritual development, we choose to undergo the very experiences that will enable us to evolve. Even before we are born, we first analyze our precise needs, the lessons we need to learn, the karmic debts we must repay. Our guides help us to choose among the many alternative ways or experiences that will help us to accomplish these ends. But we must agree to these plans. Here is where we exercise our free will. And once we accept and commit ourselves, then that plan becomes our destiny or as it relates to school, our lesson plan for this particular life. Our life becomes predestined to that extent.

Learn more: http://secrets-of-the-kingdom.blogspot.com/2006/11/reincarnation-and-karma.html

Answer 6

Free-will means that humans can make choices that go against God's will while predestination means that God chooses everything that happenes, including what we choose.

I am interested in how you come to your conclusion. There are several lines of thought on this.

I, for one, believe in free-will. Otherwise we would basicaly be robots or puppets (which ever analogy you like best). If this is the case then why even create humans with intellegence? Besides this, we find evidence in the Bible that tells us that humans do make choices that go against the will of God.

Matthew 23:37, for example, says, "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!"

Jesus said that he wanted to gather them unto himself, but they chose not to let him. If all things were predestined, then how would they be able to go against what he wanted?

Answer 7

free will is something that comes from philosophy, i suppose, and influenced the theology..

i think God din't give us neither free will..nor pre-destination


God didn't give free will..except the freedome to go to hell...
God gave 10 comandemets , orders..not free will..free thought..or free choice..

Also God didn't give pre-destination. He gave us forgiveness..so you culd be saved at any moment of your life if you return to Him...
only satan..who works with the witches and wizards..tells you that it would happen this and this..that she will never marry..etc..
because satan knows what he can do..and what he wants to do...and can try..and because we listen to him..God lets the people for a period ..into his hands...so the troubles could happen to them..as the witches..said..but they are under the power of satan..they must stop believing in witch ..and must turn to God..and say:save me:i don't want to happen such a horrible thing..to this man/woman..But few say so..many believe it is predestinated to happen so...because some ancient belifs..still exist..
theoretically and culturally the prredestinations come from Greeks..from the belif in Moira...at the ancients greeks..they believe in Moira..and what the prophet of satan said..they claimed it happened..like Ancient tragedies.''Oedipus'' etc..

anyway..God doesn't let things happen as the witches want..only to some respect..as alesson given..to those who don't obey Him..
going to witch means disobeying God..and defyng Him..only He has the right to know the future.
But we are given the right to know theoretically that if we do good things , our destination is Heaven..and if we do bad things..some big troubles could fall over our head...which and what..does it matter?it will be awfull anyway..
A christian can fight against satan and the witches.., praying to God..

while those who go to wtches...it looks that they don't belive in God..in His great reason and power, and love..

why would they go to witch to see..if they marry?or make spells?

If they deserve God will give them the best spouse..
It means they are nost honest and want the man or woman they don't deserve..
there is a lot to say..here..but in short this is..

Answer 8

No pro-ordained suggests culpability on God's part and not on ours. Knowing what decision we will probably make does not mean he made us do it. God reserves his judgment to the last day. Most of our interactions are without God's intervention unless we exercise faith and seek his intervention.

Answer 9

Once somebody understands that God's foreknowledge is not predestination, the theological issue goes away.

Answer 10

Free will is getting drunk. Predestination is where the law has already decided to put you after you get arrested for driving drunk.

Answer 11

there is no free will, there is only apparent free will...... everything that happens is a consequence of everything that has preceded it. So, you might think you can make your own choices, but it's an illusion