As Christians; which principles do you stand with: The parable of the lost sheep, or Romans verses 1:18 -32?

Question

We know Jesus often used the parable of the lost sheep and professed that one shouldn't critisize one's brother's faults when one has faults himself.

When Paul convicted Christians as Saul and had them persecuted, maybe killed: Why does he as a Christian preach that people commiting sexual immorality have no excuse for not knowing Gods laws, when he himself was a murderer and persecutor and yet did deserve forgiveness? Does anyone really believe Paul wrote Romans?

Jesus said: Truly I say unto you, All their sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter: but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin: because they say, ‘He has an unclean spirit’. (Book of Mark 3:28-29)

According to Jesus this is the only sin that one is not forgiven for!
Romans says that sinners have no excuse: Jesus offers sinners the word of God so they do know the truth. Romans tells us we should all know the truth.

sunestauromai

Apparently Jesus has condemned all sinners in the way Romans 1:18-32 does!! Perhaps you could show me the quote?
How is the parable of the lost sheep out of context with the issue of forgiveness?

Agnostic Rockett, I don't judge Paul.
Saul, better known as Paul of Tarsus, is self-described as "a Hebrew of Hebrews,"[4] and as "extremely zealous for the traditions of [his] countrymen, and of [his] ancestors."[5] He had set out from Jerusalem for Syrian Damascus around the year 36, with letters from the high priest authorizing him to arrest those followers of Jesus of Nazareth whom he could find living in the city of Damascus. He was to bring them back to Jerusalem in chains for questioning and possible execution.[6] Saul had to the best of his ability repressed the disciples in the city of Jerusalem; where, according to his own words, he had "laid waste to the Church, arresting the followers of Jesus, having them thrown into prison, and trying to get them to blaspheme" the name of YHWH.[7] Saul had also distinguished himself during the trial of Saint Stephen, the first of the official Christian martyrs, when Saul had "watched over the robes of those who were stoning Stephen.

mesquiteskeetr

Saul knew the 10 commandments. One of which is thou shalt not kill. Saint Stephen was killed because Saul went after him for being a christian. Saul effectively caused the death of Stephen. Before Saul was converted, he believed what he was doing was not a sin, yet Romans 1:18-32 clearly states that and I quote:

" For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of people 39 who suppress the truth by their 40 unrighteousness, 41 1:19 because what can be known about God is plain to them (including Saul a zealous Jew), 42 because God has made it plain to them. 1:20 ***For since the creation*** of the world his invisible attributes – his eternal power and divine nature – have been clearly seen, because they are understood through what has been made. So people 43 are without excuse. 1:21".

Only after his conversion did he admit his sins.

Romans

Answer 1

Dear Yoda,

i stand with both. The parable of the lost sheep talks about how Jesus loves each of us individually that He is a God that will pursue us and meet us where-ever it is that we are.

Romans 1:18-32 is written primarily to those who were Gentiles and did not have the law of God. Paul was making the observation that God has revealed Himself to man sufficiently but it is man who "suppreses the truth of God" choosing to worship the creature instead of the Creator.

Paul only a couple of verses previously 1:16-17 (proclaims his faith in the gospel of Christ- it from the gospel of Christ that Paul draws his righteousness). From God's righteousness in putting his faith in Christ- not in his own righteousness as a Jew who knew the law- but did not obey the law.

The two are "principles" are not juxtaopposed to one another. Paul was himself once a lost sheep. He was depending on his own righteousness to know God and part of that incorrect system caused him to oppose those who were Christians. God met him where he was and changed his life on the Damascus road.

Paul did not deserve forgiveness. And the point is that none of us deserve forgiveness. That's why people are saved by grace. They receive a gift of mercy from God who saves us instead of condemning us. Not only does he withhold his mercy but he pours out his blessings and fills our life with His Spirit and plan for our lives.

Hopefully this clarifies some things. Hope that helps.

Kindly,

Nickster

Answer 2

Both. Maybe I do not understand your question.

The lost sheep just wandered away from the sheepfold and needed a leader to get it back.

The ones in Romans knew they were wrong and knew what they should be doing but kept doing evil anyway.

They are two different scenarios so what do you mean, which do I stand with?

About Saul/Paul, he did it ignorantly. The people he condemns know they are wrong and continue to sin because they had rather sin than follow God.

Of course, I believe Paul wrote Romans. The language is too much like his other letters. If he did not write it himself, he dictated it.

Answer 3

people who are zealously against the Lord are the often converted into the greatest zealots for the LOrd when faced with him. Paul knew what he was doing was wrong and stated it many times ...just as he was telling others they knew what they were doing was wrong

Answer 4

Paul..NEVER.NEVER.NEVER Murdered anyone by HIS hand.

You put yourself as a Judge.

Romans 1


1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,


I dont know,,,did he?

Answer 5

You are taking Jesus and Paul both out of context...

Jesus DID NOT SAY "ignore your brother's faults," BUT throw the log out of your own eye so you can SEE CLEARLY to help with the speck.
Matthew 7:3 “You look at the bit of sawdust in your friend’s eye. But you pay no attention to the piece of wood in your own eye. 4 How can you say to your friend, ‘Let me take the bit of sawdust out of your eye’? How can you say this while there is a piece of wood in your own eye?
5 “You pretender! First take the piece of wood out of your own eye. Then you will be able to see clearly to take the bit of sawdust out of your friend’s eye.

... It is NOT "never judge," but "JUDGE TRUTHFULLY AND HONESTLY" that is the focus of Biblical teaching. We are COMMANDED to "judge" the lifestyle of those who call themselves "Christians." -- 1Corinthians 5:12 Is it my business to judge those outside the church? Aren’t you supposed to judge those inside the church? 13 God will judge those outside. Scripture says, “Get rid of that evil person!”

Since you include Paul's mention of sexual perversions in Rome, I'll assume that is a major component of your inquiry. Paul clearly points out that some of the Christians in Corinth HAD BEEN INVOLVED IN HOMOSEXUAL SIN, ALONG WITH SEVERAL OTHERS... HAD BEEN! ...But were delivered from that lifestyle through the Holy Spirit... According to scripture IT IS NOT PERMANENT and NO ONE WAS "BORN THAT WAY."

1Corinthians 6:9 Don’t you know that evil people will not receive God’s kingdom? Don’t be fooled. Those who commit sexual sins will not receive the kingdom. Neither will those who worship statues of gods or commit adultery. Neither will men who are prostitutes or who commit homosexual acts. 10 Neither will thieves or those who always want more and more. Neither will those who are often drunk or tell lies or cheat. People who live like that will not receive God’s kingdom. 11 SOME OF YOU USED TO DO THOSE THINGS. BUT YOUR SINS WERE WASHED AWAY. YOU WERE MADE HOLY. YOU WERE MADE RIGHT WITH GOD. ALL OF THAT WAS DONE IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND BY THE SPIRIT OF OUR GOD.

SOME OF YOU USED TO DO THOSE THINGS… They ARE NOT PERMANENT.
BUT YOUR SINS WERE WASHED AWAY... They CAN BE FORGIVEN.
YOU WERE MADE HOLY… You CAN GET THROUGH IT.
YOU WERE MADE RIGHT WITH GOD… No matter what you’ve been through -- NO ONE IS “TOO BAD.”

BUT… THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY THIS CAN HAPPEN.

ALL OF THAT WAS DONE IN THE NAME OF THE LORD
JESUS CHRIST AND BY THE SPIRIT OF OUR GOD.


http://www.dennisjernigan.com/about.htm

Dennis Jernigan has been a friend of mine for many years. He is a popular Christian singer, song writer, and author who was FORMERLY HOMOSEXUAL. This is a link to his bio on his web page. His story may help you better understand the truth of the Bible's teaching on sexual perversions.

... Dennis talks about churches "dropping the ball" when it comes to ministering to those recovering from sexual perversions but he has no question that his former lifestyle was sinful and praises God every day for rescuing him from it.

Answer 6

matthew 7:5

"You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye"

Answer 7

That's a really good point right there so I would have to think someone would really be that hipocritical.

Answer 8

Because everyone is forgiven.

Answer 9

because he didit it out of ignorance and not out of disobedience