with the scriptural teaching that the Holy Spirit does things that only a person can do - such as pray for believers, speak to people, issue commands to people, bear witness, and teach people?
2007-10-06 10:36:36 · 10 answers · asked by Nina, BaC 7 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
The Holy Spirit testifies in John 15:26
2007-10-06 10:37:22 · update #1
The Holy Spirit intercedes ( Prays ) for believers in Rom 8:26
2007-10-06 10:38:41 · update #2
The Holy Spirit issues commands
Acts 8:29, 13:2,4, 16:6
2007-10-06 10:40:12 · update #3
RHhd2: It is known fact that the NWT translators did not have formal training in Biblical languages.
2007-10-06 10:58:27 · update #4
RJhd2...or what the avatar is
2007-10-06 11:01:10 · update #5
Are you fingers a person or belong to a person?
If Jesus said that Holy spirit are the fingers of God why you want to contradict Jesus Christ, why you don´t believe in Jesus? don´t you know that if you don´t believe in what Jesus said you don´t have everlasting life?
Luke 11:20 "But if it is by means of God’s finger I expel the demons, the kingdom of God has really overtaken YOU"
the same story but in Matthew 12:28 "But if it is by means of God’s spirit that I expel the demons, the kingdom of God has really overtaken YOU"
Jesus compare the holy spirit with the finger but you says that is a person, whom we are suppose to believe in Jesus or in what Catholic Church invented 1700 years ago?
by the way why you loose time with us? you are going nowhere asking to people you relaize that handle pretty well any version of the bible, no matter if is KJV, NASB or NWT.
2007-10-06 15:29:14 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
To rephrase your question, How can you reconcile the other scriptures that indicate the holy spirit is a force? John 20:22 And after he said this he blew upon them and said to them: Receive holy spirit. We aren't anointed, so stop trying to figure out how God uses the holy spirit in connection with his anointed ones.
RJhd2, the doctrines were established long before the NWT was published so please find another avenue to explore. The KJV has many errors in it, maybe that is why they decided to do another translation, plus the fact that the name/symbol for God was removed, so that the apostates could push their Jesus is God philosophy on the naive, and if that wasn't enough, then they decided to give God three heads to explain away any discrepancies to their fable.
Take note that the bible says the wisdom of the world is foolishness with God, if the translators of the NWT were anointed, they would be blessed with God's holy spirit and discernment, plus Dr. Jason David Beduhn considers the NWT to be one of the best, but of course you will find issues with that also. You just find issues with anything that doesn't totally agree with what you have been taught. Now who are the ones that are brainwashed, and belong to the cults? I think that people that live in glass houses, should not throw stones.
2007-10-06 21:22:52 · answer #2 · answered by ? 4 · 2⤊ 0⤋
The Scriptures clearly teach that the Holy Spirit is NOT a person, but an impersonal thing or quality. Here are two obvious lines of reasoning...
1. People are NOT filled with other people; they are filled with impersonal QUALITIES:
(Luke 1:41) Elizabeth was filled with holy spirit
(Luke 2:40) filled with wisdom
(Luke 4:28) became filled with anger
(Luke 5:26) they became filled with fear
(Luke 6:11) they became filled with madness
(Acts 3:10) they became filled with astonishment
(Acts 5:17) Sadducees, rose and became filled with jealousy
(Acts 19:29) the city became filled with confusion
2. Logical connections
Here the impersonal thing Holy Spirit is connected with the impersonal thing "power":
(Acts 10:38) God anointed him with holy spirit and power
Here the impersonal thing Holy Spirit is connected with the impersonal thing "joy":
(Acts 13:52) the disciples continued to be filled with joy and holy spirit
The Scriptures apply anthroporphic qualities to many impersonal things. Trinitarians are required to believe that the Holy Spirit is a person, but literally *ALL* of their so-called "proofs" that the Holy Spirit is a person fail in the light of the entire bible. Here are lines of reasoning that expose the unscripturality of the arguments which pretend that the Holy Spirit is a person.
Comparing these two Scriptures (which describe the identical event) helps explain that the Holy Spirit can be thought of as "God's finger".
(Luke 11:20) If it is by means of God's finger I expel the demons, the kingdom of God has really overtaken YOU. . .
(Matthew 12:28) If it is by means of God’s spirit that I expel the demons, the kingdom of God has really overtaken YOU.
Can a person's finger be "hurt" (or "grieved")? Obviously.
(Isaiah 63:10) They themselves rebelled and made his holy spirit [or "God's finger"] feel hurt
(Ephesians 4:30) Also, do not be grieving God's holy spirit [or "God's finger"]
The Scriptures often personify impersonal things or qualities:
(Luke 7:35) wisdom is proved righteous by all its children
(Romans 5:14) death ruled as king
(Romans 5:21) sin ruled as king
Referring to the "mind" or governing principles of an inanimate thing does not make it a person; neither does referring to a thing's "heart" or core make it a person:
(Matthew 12:40) the heart of the earth
(Exodus 15:8) the heart of the sea
(2 Samuel 18:14) the heart of the big tree
(Deuteronomy 4:11, footnote) the heart of the heavens
The Scriptures clarify that actual PERSONS spoke ON BEHALF OF the Holy Spirit:
(Acts 4:25) holy spirit said by the mouth of our forefather David...
(Acts 28:25) The holy spirit aptly spoke through Isaiah the prophet
(Matthew 10:20) it is the spirit of your Father that speaks by you
Other nonpersons 'testify' or 'bear witness':
(1 John 5:7,8) there are three witness bearers, the spirit and the water and the blood
Arguments pretending that a person can "fill" another person are based on pagan witchcraft and Babylonish mysticism. The Scriptures consistently show that only nonpersonal qualities can "fill" a person. Jehovah's Witnesses are unlikely to trade their Scriptural true worship for witchcraft and Trinitarian false worship; apostasy such as trinitarianism was foretold in the bible.
(2 Thessalonians 2:1-3) We request of you not to be quickly shaken from your reason... the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed
(2 Peter 2:1) there will also be false teachers among you. These very ones will quietly bring in destructive sects
Finally, if trinitarians are true Christians, why do they ignore Christ's command that each Christian must preach?
(2 Timothy 4:3-5) For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the healthful teaching, but, in accord with their own desires, they will accumulate teachers for themselves to have their ears tickled; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, whereas they will be turned aside to false stories. You, though, keep your senses in all things, suffer evil, do the work of an evangelizer, fully accomplish your ministry.
(Matthew 28:19,20) Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded
Learn more:
http://watchtower.org/e/ti/index.htm?article=article_07.htm
http://watchtower.org/e/ti/index.htm?article=article_08.htm
http://watchtower.org/e/ti/
http://watchtower.org/e/20020515/
http://watchtower.org/e/20050422/article_02.htm
2007-10-06 22:14:29 · answer #3 · answered by achtung_heiss 7 · 1⤊ 0⤋
The Holy Spirit doesn't pray for us, becuase the Holy Spirit is God and the Third Person of the Blessed Trinity!
Romans 8:26, says that the Holy Spirit teaches us how to pray, by guiding and inspiring us.
We pray to God the Father, through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in the Holy Spirit.
The Love of The Father and The Son is so real that they beget a the third person, the Holy Spirit.
Married man and women image the Triune God when they beget a child through Sexual intercouse. The Trinity isn't sexula, but loving. God bless!
2007-10-06 17:43:26 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 4⤋
The holy spirit is not a person. The holy spirit is the communication link between the creator and the creation.
You have been reading too much of Paul's nonsense.
Love and blessings Don
2007-10-06 17:39:56 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 2⤋
I don't know where people got the idea that the Holy Spirit is just like anyother person. That's a lie. We know it is the Spirit of God Himself. I mean could anyother person come onto someone else and give them the power to heal?
All over the world people filled with the Holy Spirit are bring people back from the dead, healing, and doing so many other things. People that are so close to God, that are so filled with the Spirit, so intrusted by God, that God intrust things to that person through the Holy Spirit. Like there are people on this Earth today that are so close to God they can call fire down from heaven.
Do you think you have sin in your life? I know I do. So, if you and I stood before God right now, in all that He is....would we live? Like if God came down in all of His glory, power, love grace, mercy, wrath, judgment, everything He is, the raw God. We would die if we were not Holy enough. And we are not. We have alittle sin, dead.
The Holy Spirit is given to us so that we can commune with God just like Moses, without being killed by Him. The Holy Spirit lives in us, to prepare us for the coming of Jesus, and Jesus is coming to prepare us and this world for the coming of the Father...God. God is coming on this Earth....I mean the raw God....nothing hidden. The Holy Spirit is the living spirit of God, and He is given to us, by God, to bring power and authority to us, to teach us, to mold us. The fire of God through the Spirit is to purify us to make us ready for the coming of Jesus. Read Act 1:5.
2007-10-06 18:00:23 · answer #6 · answered by ? 1 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Honestly, what are you expecting from the JW's? They have demonstrated shocking irreverence to the scriptures by publishing such a perverse translation as the NWT.
That should explain everything you need to know! Who else would blatantly corrupt the text to suit their docrtines?
2007-10-06 17:54:23 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 2⤋
I don't need to "reconcile" it , If they want to believe that way don't they have a right to?
If you don't believe what the watchtower says, simply don't become a JW!
2007-10-06 17:43:55 · answer #8 · answered by DrMichael 7 · 2⤊ 0⤋
Everything in the Watchtower should be taken with a shovel-ful of salt.
Best.
H
2007-10-06 17:58:33 · answer #9 · answered by H 7 · 2⤊ 2⤋
Please get awwwwwwwayyy frm the watchtower stuff.
this is reaaaaaaaaaaaaly mixed up.
& you cannot reconcile that.
2007-10-07 00:20:34 · answer #10 · answered by AnnaMaria 7 · 0⤊ 2⤋